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:stopitslime: If your parents were born here, you are afram.

There is no genetic difference separating us. Your parents will have assimilated into afram culture and at best have remnants of immigrant culture they stubbornly cling too. Their children will be fully assimilated aframs.


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What is it about Haitians that made them more targeted than other black immigrant groups?
i use to think it was because they were all frail and skinny looking until I started seeing kimbo slice sized haitians :hubie:
From nyc to florida all you use to hear are stories about haitians getting they ass whupped and terrorized in public schools
Kind of amazing how they flipped the whole narrative to being these feared gangsters over the course of 20-30 yrs
They were seen as more poor, that's all it was

Remember, this mostly came from teens & kids, not adults. When you're poor, you tend to shyt on people who you think is worse off then you

What I don't like his how people try to make it seem like black american adults were doing it when most black american adults were on the "black is black" wave, so they didn't do that shyt. Plus, most west indians lived around each other, so how the hell was it just us?

Now, other groups DID do that as adults, INCLUDING other West indians, BUT because they are trying to unite(at least in Brooklyn) they are rewriting this narrative like it was just us. shyt is sad to me, because if you are 40 & older you know the truth, but you choose to align with people who were shytting on you, to shyt on another group. Trust me, it will just end up with them fighting each other, AGAIN!

To the West Indians who know the truth, and wasn't with it back then & still not with it, Peace to yall!

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While you are correct in Bahamian migaration to SoFla being a thing for over 150yrs, we need to be careful not to discount AA history and cultural influence in SoFla and everything AA's brought to the game. Bahamians were clearly influenced by AA's. Religiously, linguistically, and there was back and fourth influence cuisine wise. SoFla and Florida as a whole is a great mixture of "similar" sub groups of blacks. AA's from The Piedmont/Low Country-GeechieAA's/Bahamians/Haitian/Jamaican/Other West Indian(Trinidadian, Bajan, Antuigan, etc) all inhabit Florida, and have lived amongst each other for decades. Diffirent cuisines such as "Floribbean Cuisine" have sprang from these clash of cultures.
If it was something positive people would try to diminish the Bahamian role/influence, but because it involves negativity the Bahamian component is being expanded.

Trust me, it would be "the Bahamians were only copying what we were already doing", but now it's "they've been here for over 100 years."


it supports the opinion of just how, non-afram, the florida black population was/could be. So many of the people that are being singled as afram in florida were americanized bahamians and since they had no accent, they wouldn't stand out is the point Im making



we're talking mainly florida and NYC. The 2 areas where afram/haitian/other west indian contact wold most likely occur. There is a video on youtube where a Haitain girl from brooklyn , said every west indian/carib group from trinis, bajans, dominicans, jamaicans etc.... all attacked haitains. She said there was some conspiracy for aframs and all these other groups to link up and bully haitains:mindblown:



and with all that being said, most aframs had no contact with haitians so they had no real opinion of them
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When I mentioned the high% of Caribbean Blacks in 1960s-70s New York in those hip hop origin threads, you dismissed the numbers. Now, the non AA Florida population comes up in thread about newcomers being bullied.

Your point about some of these countries having negative perception of Haitians pre arrival in America is true, for select countries. Haitians traveled and worked as migrant laborers in DR, Cuba, some parts of the Bahamas. Map of the Caribbean and area surrounding Haiti gives you an idea of countries I'm talking about. Poor Haitians went there , stood out because of language barrier, and occupied lowest rung in society doing the hardest work for the lowest pay. These groups look down on Haitians For the other countries, negative perceptions of Haitians was picked up by encounters or stereotypes here. They assume all Haitians are poor, and that middle class and rich Haitians don't exist.
There are other reasons why Haitian kids were food here in nyc area .......stringent immigration rules for Haitians after a certain point,....dire financial situation back home which means no plan b, kids were under pressure to do well here in ways that only people from really poor countries could relate to.....didn't speak english or spanish.....didn't have the numbers and didn't have high % of vagabon (yet), they were food for low life elements of other cultures.. All the kids from that era will tell you that they were embraced and accepted into the circles of other cultures that they shared aspirations interests with, though.

That Florida wave was larger, more diverse group of Haitians, higher % of vagabon. Their reaction to encountering some their counterparts here is what we would all expect.


If you believe the last sentence, what perception do you think most people have of Arabs post 911. Even those who have never met a self identified Arab? You think people have "no opinion" about Arabs? Yes, deadliest disease of 20th century was linked to a nationality in early stages of reporting, but people had "no opinion" about Haitians. That's what you're running with?
 

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What is it about Haitians that made them more targeted than other black immigrant groups?
i use to think it was because they were all frail and skinny looking until I started seeing kimbo slice sized haitians :hubie:
From nyc to florida all you use to hear are stories about haitians getting they ass whupped and terrorized in public schools
Kind of amazing how they flipped the whole narrative to being these feared gangsters over the course of 20-30 yrs
that media

"voodoo savages", boat people, aids risk group

those differences

distinct in not speaking english or spanish and not able to blend/bond with other islanders

that reality

really THE poorest country in western hemisphere so no plan b for parents, strict immigration rules for entry after a certain point , pressure on family to send money home, tremendous pressure on kids to do well in the united states because of lack of opportunity back home...tight immigration rules meant numbers were relatively low and the process weeded out people who would come here and cause trouble (and whose kids would bust back)



all that equals being food
 

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When I mentioned the high% of Caribbean Blacks in 1960s-70s New York in those hip hop origin threads, you dismissed the numbers. Now, the non AA Florida population comes up in thread about newcomers being bullied.
There weren't many black immigrants in NYC in the 60's, they came in large numbers in the mid-late 70's.

If you talk to older people they will tell you they barely knew any black foreigners back then, and if they did they were most likely P.R.

For instance, Flatbush, Brooklyn was mostly white, with some latins, and black americans until the early 80's. By then it became a mix of ADOS & black caribbeans, and whites(Jewish). By the 90's it became mostly west indian, and now its what its known for.

This is the case for most of NYC, at leas tthis is what older people say. When you look at the data, it says the same thing.
 

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that media

"voodoo savages", boat people, aids risk group

those differences

distinct in not speaking english or spanish and not able to blend/bond with other islanders

that reality

really THE poorest country in western hemisphere so no plan b for parents, strict immigration rules for entry after a certain point , pressure on family to send money home, tremendous pressure on kids to do well in the united states because of lack of opportunity back home...tight immigration rules meant numbers were relatively low and the process weeded out people who would come here and cause trouble (and whose kids would bust back)



all that equals being food
Nah, that came in the late 80's, early 90's. It was because they were seen as more poor, especially because of how they dressed. Poor people pick on other poor people.

Everything else you wrote is stuff NONE of us thought about, when we got older we realized how dumb the shyt was, and we were still black. NYC was racists as hell back then, so even though you had people separating themselves because of where they were from, we ALL still had to deal with racism, so it kind of united us. It's hard to explain if you weren't there, but it wasn't so black & white. I think as the racism kind of died down as time went on, that is when more of this separation happened, and where we are today, to the point black americans have to name ourselves ADOS, and make that distinction.

That's why until we deal with our own shyt as black people all over the world, nothing will change, but us having to play games to not be food from each other. I'm riding with the ADOS movement because others chose to separate, but I'm not dumb, I know we are stronger together. Talking things out helps, but we have to tell the truth, if not, it just causes more separation.
 

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When I mentioned the high% of Caribbean Blacks in 1960s-70s New York in those hip hop origin threads, you dismissed the numbers. Now, the non AA Florida population comes up in thread about newcomers being bullied.

..because the culture of/that birthed it had more to do with the cultural practices of a specific sub-segment of afram youth (black spades dj's or older disco dj's) more than it had to do with pure raw numbers of aframs or any other group in general, whereas the floridian afram/bahamian/haitian dynamic is broader because of older (pre-usa soil) contact between bahamians/haitains adding a different dynamic.

Your point about some of these countries having negative perception of Haitians pre arrival in America is true, for select countries. Haitians traveled and worked as migrant laborers in DR, Cuba, some parts of the Bahamas. Map of the Caribbean and area surrounding Haiti gives you an idea of countries I'm talking about. Poor Haitians went there , stood out because of language barrier, and occupied lowest rung in society doing the hardest work for the lowest pay. These groups look down on Haitians For the other countries, negative perceptions of Haitians was picked up by encounters or stereotypes here. They assume all Haitians are poor, and that middle class and rich Haitians don't exist.

exactly.....Aframs never had those perceptions because they didn't know haitians like that to begin with which goes back to what I've sad before. Haitains got is worse from their fellow Carib brethren across numerous islands than anything they got from Aframs in Florida/NY





If you believe the last sentence, what perception do you think most people have of Arabs post 911.

IMO, most black people see arabs the same way they saw them prior to 9/11

Even those who have never met a self identified Arab? You think people have "no opinion" about Arabs? Yes, deadliest disease of 20th century was linked to a nationality in early stages of reporting, but people had "no opinion" about Haitians. That's what you're running with?

as far as aframs go?

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I'm finna cop me a Haitian flag to show my support.

Glad to see black men putting tribal allegiances aside to call out one of their own when necessary. :wow:
 

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I'm finna cop me a Haitian flag to show my support.

Glad to see black men putting tribal allegiances aside to call out one of their own when necessary. :wow:

That nikka is confused, I don't think you want to back him

He says one thing, another the next
 

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I wanna say this was on 47th street NW but not too far west, tho like way before 12th ave NW. They were having a cookout. This was way before everything got gentrified of course. I wanna say this was definitely after 2001 but before 2005. I also once saw Edgerin James at a cookout

Trina was cool peoples, tho. I wanna say that's the woman that made me the freak that i am today and thus why i'm so into AA women :russ:
We had lost touch after 2003 but last year we connected again on facebook. Been talking about getting together to fukk for old times sake.
You never forget the first woman you nut in :wub: Especially if she the type that would suck your dikk on the beach while others walk on by looking (it was at night but still) :wub:

I hate to break your heart and what you have probably thought the last 15 years but Trina is actually Dominican and Bahamian

She is not AA at all. She was just born in Miami.

:manny: I guess you can switch her name out for Beyonce and say Beyonce was the one who got you in AA women. Every female rapper with the freaky persona you mentioned is non AA
 

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You can say "blah... blah.. blah..." all you want but acting like AAs were the only ones targeting Haitians is unrealistic. And going by accents is silly because Bahamians been assimilated in Southern Florida since Jim Crow.... Some of these Bahamians even claim African-American. From what I heard from Bahamians THEMSELVES(especially the Amerianized ones) there were rifts. Southern Fl stopped being a AA stomping ground since the 50s-70s.

Accents is the problem because yall assumed everyone with an American accent was AA. So its hard to say Haitians/Zoe culture in FL was majority influenced by AAs. A good amount was Bahamian.

@IllmaticDelta

Obviously he answered his own question and he actually CANT tell the difference :lolbron:

I don't have the time stamp but Trina in this Drink Champs interview said out her own mouth that she is Dominican and Bajan



Florida and NYC are the epicenter of Caribbeans. Only certain southern states like Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Carolinas,etc would I ever say are "stomping grounds"

Man I'm still dead :russ: that he thought all these years that Trina was a Black American
 

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I hate to break your heart and what you have probably thought the last 15 years but Trina is actually Dominican and Bahamian

She is not AA at all. She was just born in Miami.

:manny: I guess you can switch her name out for Beyonce and say Beyonce was the one who got you in AA women. Every female rapper with the freaky persona you mentioned is non AA
Obviously he answered his own question and he actually CANT tell the difference :lolbron:

I don't have the time stamp but Trina in this Drink Champs interview said out her own mouth that she is Dominican and Bajan



Florida and NYC are the epicenter of Caribbeans. Only certain southern states like Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Carolinas,etc would I ever say are "stomping grounds"

Man I'm still dead :russ: that he thought all these years that Trina was a Black American


Breh, he wasn't talking about Trina the rapper, he was talking about a random AA chick named Trina that he used to smash. In his original post he even said (not the rapper) right next to her name. The freakinesss of this random "round the way" Trina brought out the freak in him.
 

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Breh, he wasn't talking about Trina the rapper, he was talking about a random AA chick named Trina that he used to smash. In his original post he even said (not the rapper) right next to her name. The freakinesss of this random "round the way" Trina brought out the freak in him.

I know that breh i was just testing yall to see if you were paying attention to the story :russ:

it was just a joke
 
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What is it about Haitians that made them more targeted than other black immigrant groups?
i use to think it was because they were all frail and skinny looking until I started seeing kimbo slice sized haitians :hubie:
From nyc to florida all you use to hear are stories about haitians getting they ass whupped and terrorized in public schools
Kind of amazing how they flipped the whole narrative to being these feared gangsters over the course of 20-30 yrs
To be real those non haitians from the caribbeans started all of this, I always looked at them as black people but those other non aa groups use to sell them out

And those groups use to hang around aa so us being ignorant we took what they use to say and repeat it

Their beef with haitians had to come from shyt they heard from their parents , and a lot of haitians didn't even tell people they were haitians until them real zoes started putting in work,getting money and making other haitians feel proud to rep it in public

And now some love to throw around that yank word and say slick shyt, I mess with a lot of haitian girls and had to get on a few about that word
 
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