Broward County Dem Zoe's don't stand behind Kodak

[get these nets]

Yea Im NOT trying to deny AAs targeting Haitians in Miami. Because it did happen I was just saying that SOME of those "AAs" were sometimes Bahamians. But more importantly I know it maybe tough for people to realize but this thing DID start with non-Haitian Caribbeans(and not just Dominicans btw). I say this after encountering some Bahamians online who were saying anti-Haitian shyt that almost sounded like what a white supremacist would say such as "mudcookies." That's when I started putting two and two together. Not saying anti-Haitianism is rooted in Bahamian culture like certain Dominicans but I notice some of the slick shyt they be saying about Haitians. Haitians being the poorer island from what I noticed gets slick stuff thrown at them by these non-Haitian Caribbeans.


And @Meh you know EXACTLY what I mean with the bolded. *wink*

To be real those non haitians from the caribbeans started all of this, I always looked at them as black people but those other non aa groups use to sell them out

And those groups use to hang around aa so us being ignorant we took what they use to say and repeat it

Their beef with haitians had to come from shyt they heard from their parents , and a lot of haitians didn't even tell people they were haitians until them real zoes started putting in work,getting money and making other haitians feel proud to rep it in public

And now some love to throw around that yank word and say slick shyt, I mess with a lot of haitian girls and had to get on a few about that word

..because the culture of/that birthed it had more to do with the cultural practices of a specific sub-segment of afram youth (black spades dj's or older disco dj's) more than it had to do with pure raw numbers of aframs or any other group in general, whereas the floridian afram/bahamian/haitian dynamic is broader because of older (pre-usa soil) contact between bahamians/haitains adding a different dynamic.



exactly.....Aframs never had those perceptions because they didn't know haitians like that to begin with which goes back to what I've sad before. Haitains got is worse from their fellow Carib brethren across numerous islands than anything they got from Aframs in Florida/NY

Calling BS on every plea copped or juelz made about this topic......the tension started with Haitians trying to take over the projects in MIA, Bahamians made us hate Haitians, what happened here is nothing compared to how other islanders treat Haitians.

The VERY first post I made in this thread was me being critical of a Haitian poster who suggested that Zoe behavior was based on copying/following AAs. The Idea of blaming the behavior of lowlife element your culture on others rubs me the wrong way...but apparently some of you have no problem doing just that.

As I've said in this thread, the Zoes here are nothing more than Haitian vagabon culture in America. Discrimination of a large wave of new immigrants is nothing more than a historical pattern that has taken place in world history and in this case American history. Especially when that new group is being villified in the press. Irish.....Italians....Jews....Puerto Ricans.Each group gets shytted on....and turns around and does it to the next group. Anybody who has read immigration history is aware of this. Even people who don't read books saw this theme in Gangs of New York, as in the time period and city covered, it was the Irish poor's time to be the targets.

Poor wave of immigrants come in......move to poor areas in new country , and the green light goes on among some of the previous group who still live there. I'm certain that the first poor waves of previous Caribbean groups caught heat from whichever white ethnic group or AAs they encountered.
Some waves of African Americans migrating north from the south surely caught heat from the white ethnics who were still in the areas they moved to. (but maybe another white group forced/ tricked/ coerced the scum element of Italians to assault AAs)

The facts and pattern of history don't support what you guys are saying.

IMO, most black people see arabs the same way they saw them prior to 9/11



as far as aframs go?

That's Pure Plug Bull, and everybody who reads this knows that. Boggles my mind that people will not debate in good faith. The honest answer was to say that the "terrorist" tag (and fear)is added to whatever perception people previously had of Arabs based on person interaction or mental picture of them. Saying that the perception didn't change is disingenuous. Fear.based on reality or perception will always alter views about outsider groups. Again......Haitians were attached to HIV/Aids when the disease was first reported in American media. Saying that this didn't create a perception about Haitians among both people who had and had not encountered Haitians personally is pure plug bull.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Get These Nets
Can you please learn to quote and then maybe ppl will give you a serious reply?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I never said there werent anti-Haitian sentiments among other islanders. I've known it for years since i set foot in this country. Jamaicans or Bahamians didnt care for us but they werent targetting us either. Were there instances where certain jamaicans or bahamians and certain haitians had beef and they tried to make it sound like it's an all out war between the two? Wouldnt be surprised. But again during my 11 years there i never heard of no Bahamian/Haitian beef. I was never in an area where there were a lot of bahamians and felt threatened in any way.

Other Caribbeans targeted Haitians in NYC back in the days. So....

What i dont appreciate however, is when i say AAs back in FL were specifically targetting haitians and you and some other cats saying "well some of them were really Bahamian" as if i dont fukking know what i'm talking about. This is something i lived through myself. None of them fukkas that i personally know ever claimed BH or JA and you know damn well people back then were quick to claim other islands just to distance themselves from haitians. So im sure most of them sided with AAs rather than side with us since they have their beautiful English language in common and it's best to side with the owners of the house than the guest when you're a guest yourself. Especially since that's when dancehall reggae got hot and the Americans were sudenly interested in some aspects of caribbean culture so them cats were repping their islands hard.

Because WHETHER YOU or anyone else likes it or not a significant number of those "AAs" in Southern Florida are actually Americanised Bahamians. Don't understand whats hard to grasp.

You're going by your experience. Cool. But other Florida cats have stated what I've been saying heck most of what I've been saying I got from them.

I dont have a beef or ax to gring with AAs. As i mentioned many times most of my current friends and most women i date are AA. One of them actually lurks here. But i'm not gonna cape as if the shyt didnt happen. I'm sure you've read many of my posts for over a decade now and i doubt i come across as the paranoid type to be recklessly saying shyt about certain groups and jumping to conclusions without doing my own investigation. I may ask questions . or question certain behaviors and people think it's "haiting" but I'm always the first to say when i dont know something or admit when i'm wrong i do a mea culpa.

I never said you did.

 

[intruder]

Other Caribbeans targeted Haitians in NYC back in the days. So....


Because WHETHER YOU or anyone else likes it or not a significant number of those "AAs" in Southern Florida are actually Americanised Bahamians. Don't understand whats hard to grasp.

You're going by your experience. Cool. But other Florida cats have stated what I've been saying heck most of what I've been saying I got from them.



I never said you did.

Your problem is YOU dont think i'm aware of this. YOU seem to think that YOU are the only genius who factored that in.
Since you're the smartest of us all who knew that some bahamians dont like Haitians and all

 

[get these nets]

@Get These Nets
Can you please learn to quote and then maybe ppl will give you a serious reply?

If you could refute what I wrote, you would.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Your problem is YOU dont think i'm aware of this. YOU seem to think that YOU are the only genius who factored that in.

Then why are you getting defensive? Especially when I stated many times that Im never denied AAs attacking Haitians but acting like it was mainly AAs vs zoes simplifies the situation. One minute you agree with my posts then the next you get defensive.

If you could refute what I wrote, you would.

How when the post is all a big mess.

Edit:

Half the stuff you're saying in that post I never made those arguments.

 

[get these nets]

How when the post is all a big mess.

Edit:

Half the stuff you're saying in that post I never made those arguments.

2X

Calling BS on every plea copped or juelz made about this topic......, Bahamians made us hate Haitians, what happened here is nothing compared to how other islanders treat Haitians.

The VERY first post I made in this thread was me being critical of a Haitian poster who suggested that Zoe behavior was based on copying/following AAs. The Idea of blaming the behavior of lowlife element your culture on others rubs me the wrong way...but apparently some of you have no problem doing just that.

As I've said in this thread, the Zoes here are nothing more than Haitian vagabon culture in America. Discrimination of a large wave of new immigrants is nothing more than a historical pattern that has taken place in world history and in this case American history. Especially when that new group is being villified in the press. Irish.....Italians....Jews....Puerto Ricans.Each group gets shytted on....and turns around and does it to the next group.

Anybody who has read immigration history is aware of this. Even people who don't read books saw this theme in Gangs of New York, as in the time period and city covered, it was the Irish poor's time to be the targets.

Irish as targets


Italians as targets from Irish


AAs as targets from Italians (low life scum were going to firebomb Black neighborhood)


Poor wave of immigrants come in......move to poor areas in new country , and the green light goes on among some of the previous group who still live there. I'm certain that the first poor waves of previous Caribbean groups caught heat from whichever white ethnic group or AAs they encountered.
Some waves of African Americans migrating north from the south surely caught heat from the white ethnics who were still in the areas they moved to. (but maybe another white group forced/ tricked/ coerced the scum element of Italians to assault AAs)

The facts and patterns of history don't support what you guys are saying.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Outside of saying a good amount of those AAs" being Americanized Bahamians half of this shyt I didn't even say. You're clearly confusing what I said with the other posters. And don't care what you're calling out because this thread has gotten stale.

 

[DUCKED_OFF]

Yea Im NOT trying to deny AAs targeting Haitians in Miami. Because it did happen I was just saying that SOME of those "AAs" were sometimes Bahamians. But more importantly I know it maybe tough for people to realize but this thing DID start with non-Haitian Caribbeans(and not just Dominicans btw). I say this after encountering some Bahamians online who were saying anti-Haitian shyt that almost sounded like what a white supremacist would say such as "mudcookies." That's when I started putting two and two together. Not saying anti-Haitianism is rooted in Bahamian culture like certain Dominicans but I notice some of the slick shyt they be saying about Haitians. Haitians being the poorer island from what I noticed gets slick stuff thrown at them by these non-Haitian Caribbeans.


And @Meh you know EXACTLY what I mean with the bolded. *wink*

I understand what you're saying and I agree

I was raised 7th day adventist and we had a lot of black people from the Caribbeans there and they would say slick stuff about haitians too

The same goes for mexicans, I thought all these people from spanish speaking countries were the same

Then I heard ricans, dominicans and cubans talk about mexicans so bad, they would try to fight if you called them a mexican.

 

[ba'al]

Old haitian nikkas don't like Yak, so what?

 

[Biscayne]

Old haitian nikkas don't like Yak, so what?

Old Haitian nikka

 

[IllmaticDelta]

That's Pure Plug Bull, and everybody who reads this knows that. Boggles my mind that people will not debate in good faith. The honest answer was to say that the "terrorist" tag (and fear)is added to whatever perception people previously had of Arabs based on person interaction or mental picture of them. Saying that the perception didn't change is disingenuous. Fear.based on reality or perception will always alter views about outsider groups. Again......Haitians were attached to HIV/Aids when the disease was first reported in American media. Saying that this didn't create a perception about Haitians among both people who had and had not encountered Haitians personally is pure plug bull.

how white feel about a certain group of people, historically doesn't impact how aframs feel about said people.

 

[ba'al]

Still gonna Jam Kodak Music.

Old Haitian nikka

 

[ba'al]

Also ya'll nikkas need to get your panties out of a bunch. Obvisouly the nikka is wrong for saying the shyt he said about Lil Wayne who's litterally the goat and also for talking about dude's girl. LGBT type nikkas and sheabutter hotep type nikkas stay on that dumb shyt. Regardless of how many tweets or articles ya'll post on message boards that shyt doesn't change the behavior of a lot of these entertainers who ya'll swear ya'll canceling.

Old Haitian nikka

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Good post. Like I was saying not denying AAs targeting Haitians but from what I notice many of the more racist shyt I heard were from other Caribbean islanders. It seems Cubans FROM Cuba are the only ones who have been welcoming to Haitians. Heck Cubans willingly go to Haiti to shop.


But yea I wasn't trying to start no tribal shyt but offering context with the Bahamian discussion because like I say many have lived in Florida for a VERY LONG ass time and basically became "African-Americans" if that makes it sound easier. And the bolded is 100% true and I noticed it a lot especially from English West Indians. As for Venezuelans and other countries that were apart of Gran Colombia they SHOULD feel that way after all Haitians did for them and then Simon Bolivar backstabbing Haitians.

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Intra-Carib beef has nothing to do with my people so I didn't want to post this video but it relates to what you posted. These bahamians were sounding





article that delves further


The Stigma of Being “Haitian” in The Bahamas

https://www.monroecollege.edu/uploadedFiles/_Site_Assets/PDF/The Stigma of Being Haitian.pdf