Broner Ruined His Career Moving to 147 so Early

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@SuikodenII


timmy had a lot left?!!! ..he was ko'ed by eric aiken in his last fight..how is that a lot left? lol

wasnt he like 38 years old then?

 

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@SuikodenII


timmy had a lot left?!!! ..he was ko'ed by eric aiken in his last fight..how is that a lot left? lol

yeah, I meant after the Marquez fight. he had a lot left. he barely lost to Marquez, that fight came down to a hard punch one way or the other. Marquez went on to become a legend. Timmy became inactive. the downfall for an old fighter in a low weight class

 

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I think everybody is missing the real issue with Broner. He needs a trainer that is official, you can't make it at the next level without a championship-caliber trainer. Behind every great fighter is a great trainer. And he's still running with the local dude from the youth gymHis footwork is poor, he can't defend any left jabs/hooks, and he loses composure under pressure.
His corner gave him no useful advice or strategies. He's coasted off talent alone, but hard work will always beat talent eventually.

I gotta co-sign you on this....

PEDIGREE is so important. I can give so many examples. Remember when Forrest hurt Shane Mosley? Jack panicked and was in even more shock than Shane was.

on the other hand, there arent very many top notch technical trainers today. seems as if most are fading away. Floyd Sr. looks like he could get a lot out of AB if he would listen and do what he is supposed to do. If AB is gonna stick with that Philly Shell, he should seek out someone who has experience with it like Toney as an advisor/camp member...even though James is not the best model to follow as far as conditioning. Sugar Hill would be adept at teaching the Kronk's catch and counter style. AB needs to be training in the Kronk or in Philly. Not only do I think AB has been lacking technical schooling but I question how good his sparring has been. Who did he spar with for this fight?

 

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AB reminds me somewhat of Dawson, but Dawson has faced and beaten better opposition.

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

both you and @SuikodenII have a point. I am of the belief that fathers or father figures can only develop fighters so much. Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, and yes, even Roy Jones wouldve been better if not guided by their father's for so long. Those guys basically got away with athleticism but werent as good technically as they couldve been. Broner has some technical issues. Forget about his power...thats not even a big deal. At a point you have to learn from someone with true pedigree. FMj was different because FMs was a legitimate boxer....but even still...I think lil Floyd had to learn some things from Roger and Jeff and on his own. One man cant give you but so much knowledge.

Broner is likely to arrogant to follow another trainer's advice and teachings wholeheartedly.

I think Broner's arrogance is an act, i think he's a scared little boy and he pretends to be arrogant to deflect his inner bytch. Ali was arrogant, shyt even Prince Naseem was arrogant. Broner is effeminate. It's all for attention.

 

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I think Broner's arrogance is an act, i think he's a scared little boy and he pretends to be arrogant to deflect his inner bytch. Ali was arrogant, shyt even Prince Naseem was arrogant. Broner is effeminate. It's all for attention.

yeah, but even when its not large crowds around he's been caught acting like an ass. Naz was a lot better than Broner because he had one-punch power.....he was arrogant outside the ring too though and that was his downfall. he wouldnt listen to his damn trainers. Dawson...same way.

sn: if Guzman couldve screwed his head on straight, he'd be right in this mix with the Garcia's and Broners. the boy can box his ass off. he is a lil old now though.

 

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[Uncle Kingpin]

I gotta co-sign you on this....

PEDIGREE is so important. I can give so many examples. Remember when Forrest hurt Shane Mosley? Jack panicked and was in even more shock than Shane was.

on the other hand, there arent very many top notch technical trainers today. seems as if most are fading away. Floyd Sr. looks like he could get a lot out of AB if he would listen and do what he is supposed to do. If AB is gonna stick with that Philly Shell, he should seek out someone who has experience with it like Toney as an advisor/camp member...even though James is not the best model to follow as far as conditioning. Sugar Hill would be adept at teaching the Kronk's catch and counter style. AB needs to be training in the Kronk or in Philly. Not only do I think AB has been lacking technical schooling but I question how good his sparring has been. Who did he spar with for this fight?

Clowns like this bamma

 

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Clowns like this bamma

that sparring is a mirror image of how he fights in real fights. he fights like I played Street Fighter II. block all attacks then unleash an offensive onslaught. that overwhelms opponents who are not as good as you but doesnt work on top level opposition. now the question is....were the rumors that Spence gave him that work true? if so....they shouldve re-thought their path post-Paulie.

 

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[Ari Gold Bawse]

yeah, but even when its not large crowds around he's been caught acting like an ass. Naz was a lot better than Broner because he had one-punch power.....he was arrogant outside the ring too though and that was his downfall. he wouldnt listen to his damn trainers. Dawson...same way.

sn: if Guzman couldve screwed his head on straight, he'd be right in this mix with the Garcia's and Broners. the boy can box his ass off. he is a lil old now though.

naz made alot of money here in the uk half his fights were ppv

he just lost his hunger and got lazy

 

[Uncle Kingpin]

that sparring is a mirror image of how he fights in real fights. he fights like I played Street Fighter II. block all attacks then unleash an offensive onslaught. that overwhelms opponents who are not as good as you but doesnt work on top level opposition. now the question is....were the rumors that Spence gave him that work true? if so....they shouldve re-thought their path post-Paulie.

Spence says they never sparred, but everybody else at TMT gym says he put Broner on his ass. The whole vegas boxing community knew about it, wonder who floyd bet on

 

[firemanBk]

I don't think the blame should be put at his moving up to 147 because I think he would have taken that L at any weight once he stopped fighting club fighters and actually faced a legit opponent.
He is not that good...he is an average, run of the mill ESPN Friday Night Fights level fighter.

C'mon now, he's better than that. He's a solid alphabet soup title holder.

That being said he did lose to Quintero on Friday Night Fights and got a gift.

 

[California Burrito]

he wanted to be at 147 with all the big boys, big fights & big paychecks but he aint built for that competition khan, ortiz, maidana, thurman, alexander all put a beating on that fraud and if he goes down to 140 garcia & matthysse put the boy to sleep as well

 

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his jaw