Brexit Is Teaching Britain A Lesson In Humility; Boris Johnson finalizes EU Exit Deal!

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You ever been? I've actually lived there for 6 months...

No and I will never set foot in that forsaken nation. I was doing cartwheels when that cathedral was burnt to the ground.

F*ck France
F*ck French fashion houses
F*ck that gay ass language
F*ck Macron
F*ck Zidane
F*ck Louis the 13th
F*ck the CFA

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Can I move to America? Will I be accepted or is it jumping from the frying pan into the fire
 

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Can I move to America? Will I be accepted or is it jumping from the frying pan into the fire
its like jumping from the frying pan into hell :mjlol:
yall worried about losing the nhs? we dont even have something like that to lose :francis:
if you think those white tories are bad WAIT til you have to deal with republicans :mjcry:
 

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In 2017 they did say respect the referendum and get a better deal than May





What could they do?

Remainers were abandoning Labour.

We saw that happen in the European elections. For much of this year, polls were showing Labour bleeding significant support to the Lib Dems.

By coming out in favor of a second referendum, they were able to (eventually) get most of their voters who were thinking of voting Lib Dem to come home. But that stance was obviously poison when it came to the Leave faction of their coalition.
 
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What’s crazy is

Corbyn in 2017 and 2019 secured more votes than Blair in 2005, Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015.

Labour did well in its heartlands two years ago. Looking at the data so many of these seats they lost were marginal :wow:


Exactly.

In most elections, 32-33% of the vote is respectable, and sometimes it's enough to win. What happened was the Tories had a really high floor because people who want Brexit prioritize it, and they trust the Tories to see Brexit through.
 

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Labour lost?:lupe: :russ:


"Labour knew Brexit would dominate and aimed to shift the conversation to public services and the environment. It failed there too. The problem was not the manifesto. Labour’s plans for nationalisation, public spending and wealth redistribution were popular, achievable, and would not have left Britain in a radically different place from many other European nations. But if you’re going to promise something that ambitious, you have to first of all prepare people politically for it and then reassure them you can actually do it. Labour did neither effectively, instead promising more things each day, displaying a lack of message discipline that felt like a metaphor for potential lack of fiscal discipline.

Corbyn was deeply unpopular. On the doorstep most couldn’t really say why they didn’t like him. They just didn’t. Some either thought he was too leftwing, antisemitic or the friend of terrorists. Obviously the media, which did not come out of this election well at all, have a lot to do with that. How could you like someone when you never hear anything good about them? The rightwing-dominated press too often framed the narratives for television and radio, which fed them back on a loop that could be broken only by events.

But they did not invent it all. Corbyn was a poor performer. Time and again he had chances to nail Boris Johnson for his lies and duplicity, but he refused to do so. He’d say it’s not his style. But his style wasn’t working. His refusal to apologise to the Jewish community for antisemitism when interviewed by Andrew Neil was baffling, not least because he had apologised several times before – and did so again afterwards with Phillip Schofield. And the media are not going anywhere soon. They attacked Gordon Brown, Edward Miliband and Neil Kinnock too – though never as ferociously – and whoever runs the party next will have to deal with them.

Those who think that Labour’s leftward shift was just about Corbyn frankly never understood it. Corbyn was simply the unlikely, unprepared and in many ways inadequate vessel for a political moment that is not yet over. He emerged in the wake of wars and at a time of austerity when social democratic parties across the western world were failing and flailing. His election did not produce the crisis in the Labour party; it was the product of it, and this election result has now exacerbated it. His strong performance in 2017 is why we are not further down the Brexit path already, and why the Tories have promised to increase public spending and effectively end austerity."
 
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