I mean for the average person lol. My point is these guys are outliers.
Breh makes 500k as a self taught software Engineer
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I disagree. There are way too many cases like I posted for them to be outliers,
Are you in the tech field? if so, did you get your job through the traditional route? If so I understand why you are coming across as negative when you see folk work less than you to get the same spot.
One thing to keep in mind in this comparison is that just by being in college pursuing a CS/related degree, you're able to apply for (paying) internships with companies. Some companies will offer you a full time position once you've finished your degree if they like you enough during your internship. There's internships out there that are open to people who aren't pursuing CS degrees, but they're few and far between.
My recommendation to anyone is if you're interested in a career in tech and college is an option for you, go for your bachelor's in CS. It's not impossible to get your foot in the door without it, but it's a lot harder and will require more grinding on your part. Doubly so if you don't have a bachelor's degree at all.
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It's not a set back if you are willing to self-teach yourself or take courses on the core fundamentals.
And if you also create a lot of projects you'll be ahead of a lot of graduates.
With majors like CS you HAVE to go home and read the textbook, study on your own etc because professors can't really teach it and there just isn't enough time. Plus you have to really just do it consistently to really know what you are doing.
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They are dumb that's why.
Personally I don't think there's a right or wrong answer and my advice would be tailored to the individual I'm talking to. If it's a young 16,17,18,19 year old asking my advice would probably be to go to the college. And the degree wouldn't even be the number one reason. College can be an invaluable experience for the networking, connections, relationships and memories you make that just won't happen in another environment. And to that I'd even tell them don't get a computer science degree or possibly not any science/eng degree at all. Just get whatever easy 3-4 year degree you can get. Alot of these companies don't even care what degree you get so long as you have one especially if you went to a decent name brand school. Learn all the programming and tech shyt on the side on your own or via bootcamp during summers. A lot of these programming classes are way behind what the current industry is looking for and they can be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. Maybe take a few of the classes just to put on your transcript. However this advice would change if their dream is to work at a FAANG. If your ultimate goal is to work for one of those then yeah the typical comp sci is probably going to be your best route. But if you just trying to make a bag especially working in govt just having some skills is enough.
Now if I'm talking to someone in their late 20's or 30's and they're wondering whether to go to college I might advice against it. Or at least not initially. Once they get a job if they want to get that degree overtime to eventually have that stamp then go for it.
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Man here we go again....did y'all watch the video. The breh has an aptitude for learning. He was fukkin around with code since 14 years old. 99% of y'all won't come close to his salary. I will say you don't need a degree to be a good programmer, you need patience and dedication. To go into high level stuff you need to have a background in mathematics and any logic based degree.... comp sci, statistics, etc. Set realistic goals for yourself. Most of y'all won't be starting off making 150k+. You'll start off 50k-70k until you build your skillset then hopefully in a couple of years you can move up to 100k+. I'm old enough to remember the dot com bubble software and hardware engineers got slaughtered back then. It's not all gravy and it's certainly not a get rich quick move as some here claim. I would start off taking online courses and going to a bootcamp to see if you might have some talent and if it's truly something you want to do.
Thank You. I know a nikka that dropped out of school his sophomore year and just picked up Linux. By the time he was like 23 he was making $250k+ working multiple work from home jobs. Hella nikkas I know that went to a bullshyt school and got what's considered a "bullshyt degree" are all making six figure BAGS and have been doing it for years. In contrast I know nikkas with PhDs stuck making $85k (not bad money but is that worth all that bullshyt ass school). And ppl who went to Harvard business school barely cracking 6 figures. The biggest difference is the people with the "bullshyt" degrees were willing to break out of their own limitations and thinking and willing to interview for whatever company and go for the bag. Where as the people that stuck to the rigid school shyt don't even know of what opportunities are out there. They just have the limited thinking of I have to work for this "name brand" company for X amount of years then I have to get this higher level degree to get that pay bump then I have to work again in this company for 5 more years then I can get promotions and move into management, etcc. It's the worst for people working at consulting companies. Those consulting companies ARE FLEECING young talent. Making them work 60+ hours a week for $80-$100k which for a young person sounds like a good offer but really isn't.I’m not going to speak for OP but I’ve found that people with degrees hate to devalue their degrees by thinking ‘anyone can do this’.
And often those same people are in charge of hiring and actively gatekeep and keep out people with no degrees.
I heard it all the time in when I started trying to break into software. That my completely unrelated degree (PoliSci) would hurt me. I’m now an executive at a software company and those same bums have barely moved up the ladder.
Make your own path in this life.
Edit: I’ll also add that when I’m hiring I’ll only look for degrees when the persons portfolio/github/whatever doesn’t demonstrate that they have the competencies that we’re looking for. And I tell all of our recruiters that degrees are only to be considered in lieu of a portfolio or projects when screening.
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He’s not wrong breh. And yes they are still outliers a quick LinkedIn search will confirm this too. Look up Software Engineers for any FAANG company and overwhelmingly you will see folks with at least a B.S most likely in a science/math field.
That doesn’t take away from the outliers but they are still outliers and it still is harder.
I know because I’m in the field making that type of money and didn’t get in through the traditional route.
I will caveat and say the traditional route is mainly to help get you through the door. Once you’re in your background doesn’t matter.
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fukk what you saying dawg. Brehs should educate and elevate themselves higher.
Just look at the bolded.... "most of y'all won't"
why so much negativity and doubt? I mean being realistic is one thing but then going on to set brehs expectations so low... it's discouraging. And false too.Then I check your post history: https://www.thecoli.com/search/31367976/ and you're in other similar threads with the same bs... and even shytting on crypto which legit made brehs alot of money.
You're a boomer in every sense of the word.
If you're old enough to remember the dot com bubble then you're just old.
Times have changed, demand has changed.
That bum works night shift and has wrote on here that his job once drug tested him 3 times in one month. He needs to stfu and take notesWhenever people come into these threads to share what they’ve learned bum ass nikkas discourage them from doing so. Because I said “we” too many times for your tastes.
Nikka. By the time I finish my morning coffee tomorrow I’ll have made more than you will all week. Think about that. And you’re sitting here telling me to shut up on a thread about careers in software that I’m trying to contribute to and help Brehs out.
You shut the fukk up. Ignore list asap.
fukk what you saying dawg. Brehs should educate and elevate themselves higher.
Just look at the bolded.... "most of y'all won't"
Then I check your post history: https://www.thecoli.com/search/31367976/ and you're in other similar threads with the same bs... and even shytting on crypto which legit made brehs alot of money.
You're a boomer in every sense of the word.
If you're old enough to remember the dot com bubble then you're just old.
Times have changed, demand has changed.
Times haven't changed. He's not wrong.
There is a lot of saturation in the jr space, so unless you are a data structures and algorithms master, live in the bay area and have some unbelievable projects, you're not walking into a company making 150k and certainly not 500k off the bat.
Most jr. devs need to be expecting around 60k, and with aggressive moves, you can jump up to 100k, and then after that, the sky is the limit. Jrs expecting an obscene salary can easily block themselves from jumping into the industry because they turned down an offer they got chasing the fantasy that some company will give them six figures off of the bat. In your first two years experience is what's most important, so if you have to take the 60k job, you do that and work your way up from there.