I don't see how they can think that considering how trash Giddey is on defense. Much of the Bulls success before Lonzo went down stemmed from the havoc him and AC created on defense leading to run outs. Giddey won't give us any of that.
BREAKING: The Chicago Bulls are trading two-time All-Defensive guard Alex Caruso to the Oklahoma City Thunder for guard Josh Giddey, sources tell ESPN
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I don't see how they can think that considering how trash Giddey is on defense. Much of the Bulls success before Lonzo went down stemmed from the havoc him and AC created on defense leading to run outs. Giddey won't give us any of that.
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I think to get a deal done for both costs more than OKC would want to pay. Danny's not going to let you win any kind of trade like that.
I'm only talking about on the offensive end. He's not a plus defender. I'm just saying, Giddey with the young guys, minus DeMar and post Vuc is the style of play and pace that Billy has been wanting to play with since Lonzo went down
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Why would anyone be worried about Shai hampering Caruso's game? OKC is Shai's team. Everyone else needs to fit around him, not him fit around a role player. Besides, Caruso isn't good enough to be a lead ball-handler on a contending team. Why would the Thunder possibly want to move Shai out of the 1, anyway, when it would mean less time on ball?
He's a top-5 player in the league. The only other guard on his level is Luka, and it's not like OKC can acquire Luka to play point for them.
I hate to break it to you, but he's gonna be playing PG for y'all this season.
GIDDEY AINT NO DAMN PG.
If he can stay healthy, he'll end up top-3 for Most Improved Player, at least.
It's not so much that Wallace took his spot, it's that OKC has no use for him.
He's at his best with the ball in his hands, and since he can't do that because Shai is infinitely better, he was forced to play more of an accompanying role, and given he doesn't provide much defensive versatility and he can't do many things good off the ball, he became a surplus to what they need. He was always on borrowed time in OKC.
This is hilarious.
Who the fukk do the Lakers have to guard all the players on OKC? Why are you speaking like the Lakers aren't coming to the end of their window and OKC is just starting theirs?
LA is the least of their worries. The Mavs and Nuggets are their main competition.
This tells me you never watched OKC games.
Giddey needs the ball in his hands to be effective, because he can't do much without it. He couldn't do that with Shai.
Folks are going to be in for a rude awakening when he ends up balling out in Chicago. He showed during the Olympics, he's a much more aggressive scorer than what many are led to believe, and he's a pretty damn good playmaker too. He's just wildly erractic at times, and as much as he can make winning plays, he can erase them with bad ones.
He'll end up being a diet version of Luka for the Bulls.
The Bulls are banking on Giddey reaching his full potential in Chicago. It's risky trying to build out a team from the middle like this instead of bottoming out.
Indiana has pulled this off twice in recent memory where they traded their best asset and the players they got back exceeded expectations and became All Stars. Getting Oladipo and Sabonis for PG and then later getting Haliburton for Sabonis.
Haliburton is definitely a top 15-20 player in the NBA and a MAX player. Where does Giddey project with an increase in usage and more control of an offense?
Giddey will put up numbers and the Bulls will have to pay him next summer. It's just not a given he turns into an All Star, let alone an All-NBA Player. He's in a position to get stats and get a deal that just puts Chicago in another cycle of mediocity.
How good is your team if Josh Giddey is your best or 2nd best player and offense generator? What's the ceiling for that team build?
Indiana has pulled this off twice in recent memory where they traded their best asset and the players they got back exceeded expectations and became All Stars. Getting Oladipo and Sabonis for PG and then later getting Haliburton for Sabonis.
Haliburton is definitely a top 15-20 player in the NBA and a MAX player. Where does Giddey project with an increase in usage and more control of an offense?
Giddey will put up numbers and the Bulls will have to pay him next summer. It's just not a given he turns into an All Star, let alone an All-NBA Player. He's in a position to get stats and get a deal that just puts Chicago in another cycle of mediocity.
How good is your team if Josh Giddey is your best or 2nd best player and offense generator? What's the ceiling for that team build?
I'm just now seeing this, but how was Chicago going to trade for Giddey and also have 2 1st Round picks to take Edey and Carter?
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True. What teams are tanking in the East this year? Truly tanking? Not the Hawks, because they still have Trey. Nets, I'd say yes. Not the Raps. The Hornets still have Bridges. If Ball is healthier this year, they shouldn't be tanking. The Pistons need to be good this year or show progress with all their kids.
Wizards, Nets, and Bulls. Is Giddey good enough to raise their ceiling to a play-in status? Possibly, but they should be tanking for a bottom 5 status. Only team tanking in the West is the Blazers. If they are fully healthy, they might be able to win a few games. Some would throw in the Jazz.
Are the Bulls better than the Jazz? Are they better than the Blazers? I'd say better than the Blazers due to coaching and youth. The Jazz are were coached. Ainge is the reason they end up tanking.
Bulls need to tank, not get to play-in status. Their front office has been trash for years.
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I forgot about Zach.
Hopefully he plays well enough to get traded. The only way I would keep him if he plays decent defense and shoots 40%+ from the three with 8-10 shots a game. No mid range Zach. He will probably only take one or two shots at the rim this year due to the long lay off.
If you're Chicago, why not just take Topic at 11 in a red shirt year who was seen as a top pick in this year's draft before injury instead of trading Caruso for Giddey?
It's actually funny that Chicago made this trade before the draft and before seeing how the board fell. OKC literally drafted a similar player in Topic to replace Giddey less than a week after trading him. Considering that Chicago loses their pick if it's out of the top 10, taking a flyer on Topic while you figure out wtf you're doing with LaVine and Vuc in a clear year where you don't want to contend makes a lot of sense.
Caruso could have been traded elsewhere to get more assets back. They must really be HUGE on Giddey. That's the only conclusion to make all things considered
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But since you believe in Pat Williams, don't you think the Bulls are in a good spot?
Bro, ESPN projects them to be in Play-In contention and around the 30 win mark.True. What teams are tanking in the East this year? Truly tanking? Not the Hawks, because they still have Trey. Nets, I'd say yes. Not the Raps. The Hornets still have Bridges. If Ball is healthier this year, they shouldn't be tanking. The Pistons need to be good this year or show progress with all their kids.
Wizards, Nets, and Bulls. Is Giddey good enough to raise their ceiling to a play-in status? Possibly, but they should be tanking for a bottom 5 status. Only team tanking in the West is the Blazers. If they are fully healthy, they might be able to win a few games. Some would throw in the Jazz.
Are the Bulls better than the Jazz? Are they better than the Blazers? I'd say better than the Blazers due to coaching and youth. The Jazz are were coached. Ainge is the reason they end up tanking.
Bulls need to tank, not get to play-in status. Their front office has been trash for years.
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I forgot about Zach.
Hopefully he plays well enough to get traded. The only way I would keep him if he plays decent defense and shoots 40%+ from the three with 8-10 shots a game. No mid range Zach. He will probably only take one or two shots at the rim this year due to the long lay off.
I don't trust them to do what is needed and lose in this pivotal year. Other organizations in the EAST are going to do a better job at this than Chicago will. I'm fully anticipating winning meaningless games in March for a late season push to just fukk up their draft position in an absolutely loaded draft class
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