BREAKING: Donald Trump Announces Plan 2 Remove Clinton Era Criminal Justice Laws That Hurt Black Men

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The trump agenda trolling in this thread is :scust:

From OPs agent title to all the :ooh: posts

fukk out of here. We know what trump is. Nothing is going I change that except him trying to duck that impeachment case that’s coming
 

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Are ya'all insane? The Democrats long ago wrote up far STRONGER versions of this bill. The Republicans have refused to sign off on it, so this year the best they got was this vastly weakened version of the bill.

You're literally blaming the Democrats for not doing what they already been trying to do and praising the Republicans for doing a weak-ass version of the same thing they've been blocking for years.

:mindblown:

Barack and democrats had control of the house and senate his first two years in office and didn’t get this done

But they’ve been wanting to get something like this done for years, just not those two years :comeon:

They made sure to get cash for clunkers out there though :mjlol:
 

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Barack and democrats had control of the house and senate his first two years in office and didn’t get this done

But they’ve been wanting to get something like this done for years, just not those two years :comeon:

They made sure to get cash for clunkers out there though :mjlol:
They were soft "across the isle" idiots in that respect. No tolerance for that type of behavior moving forward.
That said, Trump is still bullshyt, and this is undoubtedly a pandering move meant to garner good will and visibility. We will see if anything comes of it.
 

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That said, Trump is still bullshyt, and this is undoubtedly a pandering move meant to garner good will and visibility. We will see if anything comes of it.

Man you dudes are BIG on liking/loving people around here :whoo:

Again, Trump is about obliterating and embarrassing democrats. Period.

He will help us if only to show up his critics, even if his “heart” isn’t in it.
 

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Barack and democrats had control of the house and senate his first two years in office and didn’t get this done

You have been checked on this lie time and time again in multiple threads but you KEEP repeating it. Obama only had control of congress for a mere four months during which they got the ACA passed which expanded Medicaid for millions of disadvantaged black people and others. Stop spreading this lie that Obama had 2 years to do whatever he wanted you MAGA fukk boy.


When Obama Had "Total Control of Congress"

Lies are easy to get away with if they are repeated often enough and given voice by many different people. Repeat a lie often enough and that lie often becomes conventional wisdom. Repeating a lie doesn’t change the lie into the truth, it changes the people hearing the repeated lie. They begin to accept the lie as truth. One huge example: ‘Iraq has WMD.’

Lies make it impossible for people to communicate with each other......lies make it impossible to, as the Villagers often talk about it, have a real “conversation.”

One particular lie, often stated by right-of-center advocates, is the statement....“if Barack Obama wanted to increase taxes on the rich, stop the wars, pass a budget...blah, blah.....he could have chosen to do so because he had “total control” of the House and Senate for two full years.”

Sometimes the “two full years” is omitted from the statement......but the lie is spread nevertheless, by the “total control of Congress” phrase.

Let’s clear that all up, shall we?

Starting January 2009, at the beginning of the 111th Congress, in the month that Barack Obama was inaugurated president, the House of Representatives was made up of 257 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There is no question that Democrats had total control in the House from 2009-2011.

Even with numerous “blue-dog” (allegedly fiscally conservative) Democrats often voting with Republicans.....Speaker Pelosi had little difficulty passing legislation in the House. The House does not have the pernicious filibuster rule which the Senate uses. A majority vote in the House is all that’s necessary to pass legislation, except in rare occurrences (treaty ratification, overriding a presidential veto).

Okay, that’s the House during the first two years of Barack Obama’s presidency. For a lie to prosper, as it were, there needs to be a shred of truth woven inside the lie. It is absolutely true that from 2009-2011, Democrats and President Obama had “total control” of the House of Representatives.

But legislation does not become law without the Senate.

The Senate operates with the 60-vote-requirement filibuster rule. There are 100 Senate seats, and it takes 60 Senate votes for “closure” on a piece of legislation....to bring that piece of legislation to the floor of the Senate for amendments and a final vote....that final vote is decided by a simple majority in most cases. But it takes 60 Senate votes to even have a chance of being voted upon.

“Total control”, then, of the Senate requires 60 Democratic or Republican Senators.

On January 20th, 2009, 57 Senate seats were held by Democrats with 2 Independents (Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman) caucusing with the Democrats...which gave Democrats 59 mostly-reliable Democratic votes in the Senate, one shy of filibuster-proof “total control.” Republicans held 41 seats.

The 59 number in January, 2009 included Ted Kennedy and Al Franken. Kennedy had a seizure during an Obama inaugural luncheon and never returned to vote in the Senate.....and Al Franken was not officially seated until July 7th, 2009 (hotly contested recount demanded by Norm Coleman.)

The real Democratic Senate seat number in January, 2009 was 55 Democrats plus 2 Independents equaling 57 Senate seats.

An aside....it was during this time that Obama’s “stimulus” was passed. No Republicans in the House voted for the stimulus. However, in the Senate.....and because Democrats didn’t have “total control” of that chamber.....three Republicans.....Snowe, Collins and Specter, voted to break a filibuster guaranteeing it’s passage.

Then in April, 2009, Republican Senator Arlen Specter became a Democrat. Kennedy was still at home, dying, and Al Franken was still not seated. Score in April, 2009....Democratic votes 58.

In May, 2009, Robert Byrd got sick and did not return to the Senate until July 21, 2009. Even though Franken was finally seated July 7, 2009 and Byrd returned on July 21.....Democrats still only had 59 votes in the Senate because Kennedy never returned, dying on August 25, 2009.

Kennedy’s empty seat was temporarily filled by Paul Kirk but not until September 24, 2009.

The swearing in of Kirk finally gave Democrats 60 votes (at least potentially) in the Senate. “Total control” of Congress by Democrats lasted all of 4 months. From September 24, 2009 through February 4, 2010...at which point Scott Brown, a Republican, was sworn in to replace Kennedy’s Massachusetts seat.

The truth....then....is this: Democrats had “total control” of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had “total control” of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

Did President Obama have “total control” of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.

Did President Obama have “total control’ of Congress during his first two years as president? Absolutely not and any assertions to the contrary.....as you can plainly see in the above chronology....is a lie.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they started using some of those empty cells and facilities as detention centers for the migrants

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You lying illiterate stupid motherfukker.

“More cacs are using opioids, not selling them”

= me saying they aren’t selling opioids at all or does that mean more cacs aren’t selling opioids, you silly ass fakkit :mjlol:

Even if you want to argue the semantics of what I stated, you’re original response was ‘whites sell as much as blacks’ or some dumb shyt when thats what you took out of that post and this is the point your making, now I said cacs don’t sell drugs...

I specifically asked how does this benefit them since they are the primary users of opioids not the primary sellers of it since that had to be made clear to your retarded ass. And addicts themselves never really get penalized heavily like that for the addiction itself, it’s usually crimes related to feeding their addiction ( theft, burglary, robbery, et... ).

Like a bytch that just want some attention from a nikka and don’t know how to do it outside of startin a stupid argument. So just like I do them, stop quoting me clown. Nothin else to discuss here
 

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People on both sides have wrote similar bills.

And the most recent BS justice laws were Clinton and Dem inventions.... The Dems have madd opportunity with controlled congresses, presidents, etc to change it.

So Trump probably cares less about black people, but the fact that hes Pushing for this and not just going w the flow on it - is a good thing.

No, not similar bills, much BETTER bills. Did you read the post I already made on the flaws in the bill? It's uncertain whether it would even be a net positive for Black people due to the precedent it sets. Civil rights groups were already opposing this bill back in May when it was just a bipartisan compromise, before Trump had even come down in support of it.




Barack and democrats had control of the house and senate his first two years in office and didn’t get this done

But they’ve been wanting to get something like this done for years, just not those two years :comeon:

They made sure to get cash for clunkers out there though :mjlol:

Bullshyt. Democrats only had filibuster-proof control of the Senate for a few months, and that was eight years ago. But he DID get passed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, reducing the crack cocaine sentencing disparity and eliminating the mandatory minimum for possession. That was the sort of light legislation that could fly back then.

You forget that back when Obama became president, sentencing reform was a complete no-go for moderates. Even liberal California had pushed harsh sentencing guidelines. There were a lot of democrats and a handful of libertarians who talked about it, but they were nowhere near the numbers needed to pass something serious. The national movement for sentencing reform didn't begin until about 2013, which was when Holder's DOJ first started the Smart on Crime initiative which did things like increase compassionate release and move funding away from prisons. Obama appointed a commission on the issue as well as making a major speech on the need for sentencing reform. He then followed that up by commuting the sentences of over 1000 federal prisoners and directing his AG's to seek the lightest sentence possible in nonviolent drug cases. Under Holder the # of people convicted under drug mandatory minimums dropped over 20%. Solitary confinement was banned for juveniles. He also dried up funding for police militarization and banned the box on federal employment applications that asked if you had been convicted of a crime.

There's something called the "Overton Window" on any issue, which is the degree to which an issue is acceptable in the mainstream at any point in time. Major sentencing reform wasn't acceptable by anyone other than liberal democrats and libertarians in 2009. It wasn't until after 2013 that the Overton Window arrived, and too many conservatives kept blocking meaningful reform since then.
 

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= me saying they aren’t selling opioids at all or does that mean more cacs aren’t selling opioids, you silly ass fakkit
More cacs ARE selling opioids, you stupid bytchmade punk motherfukking c00n.
No, not similar bills, much BETTER bills. Did you read the post I already made on the flaws in the bill? It's uncertain whether it would even be a net positive for Black people due to the precedent it sets. Civil rights groups were already opposing this bill back in May when it was just a bipartisan compromise, before Trump had even come down in support of it.






Bullshyt. Democrats only had filibuster-proof control of the Senate for a few months, and that was eight years ago. But he DID get passed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, reducing the crack cocaine sentencing disparity and eliminating the mandatory minimum for possession. That was the sort of light legislation that could fly back then.

You forget that back when Obama became president, sentencing reform was a complete no-go for moderates. Even liberal California had pushed harsh sentencing guidelines. There were a lot of democrats and a handful of libertarians who talked about it, but they were nowhere near the numbers needed to pass something serious. The national movement for sentencing reform didn't begin until about 2013, which was when Holder's DOJ first started the Smart on Crime initiative which did things like increase compassionate release and move funding away from prisons. Obama appointed a commission on the issue as well as making a major speech on the need for sentencing reform. He then followed that up by commuting the sentences of over 1000 federal prisoners and directing his AG's to seek the lightest sentence possible in nonviolent drug cases. Under Holder the # of people convicted under drug mandatory minimums dropped over 20%. Solitary confinement was banned for juveniles. He also dried up funding for police militarization and banned the box on federal employment applications that asked if you had been convicted of a crime.

There's something called the "Overton Window" on any issue, which is the degree to which an issue is acceptable in the mainstream at any point in time. Major sentencing reform wasn't acceptable by anyone other than liberal democrats and libertarians in 2009. It wasn't until after 2013 that the Overton Window arrived, and too many conservatives kept blocking meaningful reform since then.
You’re arguing with cracker/c00n agent.
 

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But if Obama did this what would it be:jbhmm: and place got waaay too many liberal shills :picard:

Liberal = I am okay with Black people or I AM Black

Conservative = I am not okay with Black people

So what in the fukc are you talking about?

Being Black either makes you a liberal automatically or you go to a couple of Trump rallies first and get socked in the fukcing face, then you figure it out

Are you from or in London? What the fukc y'all smoke over there that makes you confused about such things
 

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Thank you for locking us up closer to home, it’s the least you could do as you rush to fill all the private prisons your party capitalists have invested in with free, forever disenfranchised labor, MAGA :justwow:
 

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Bullshyt. Democrats only had filibuster-proof control of the Senate for a few months, and that was eight years ago. But he DID get passed the Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, reducing the crack cocaine sentencing disparity and eliminating the mandatory minimum for possession. That was the sort of light legislation that could fly back then.

You forget that back when Obama became president, sentencing reform was a complete no-go for moderates. Even liberal California had pushed harsh sentencing guidelines. There were a lot of democrats and a handful of libertarians who talked about it, but they were nowhere near the numbers needed to pass something serious. The national movement for sentencing reform didn't begin until about 2013, which was when Holder's DOJ first started the Smart on Crime initiative which did things like increase compassionate release and move funding away from prisons. Obama appointed a commission on the issue as well as making a major speech on the need for sentencing reform. He then followed that up by commuting the sentences of over 1000 federal prisoners and directing his AG's to seek the lightest sentence possible in nonviolent drug cases. Under Holder the # of people convicted under drug mandatory minimums dropped over 20%. Solitary confinement was banned for juveniles. He also dried up funding for police militarization and banned the box on federal employment applications that asked if you had been convicted of a crime.

There's something called the "Overton Window" on any issue, which is the degree to which an issue is acceptable in the mainstream at any point in time. Major sentencing reform wasn't acceptable by anyone other than liberal democrats and libertarians in 2009. It wasn't until after 2013 that the Overton Window arrived, and too many conservatives kept blocking meaningful reform since then.

1) Democrats controlled the white house and the senate from Jan 2009 - December 2010
111th United States Congress - Wikipedia

that's plenty of time to have done this - and again, who the fukk was gonna go against anything Barack endorsed at ANY point in his presidency without backlash and damaging their political career?

2) trump just reduced bill clintons 3 strikes law from a life sentence to 25 years
this is an issue that i've heard COUNTLESS black leaders and activists complain about, now TRUMP is gonna get credit for it

the truth of the matter is a lot of you dudes are terrified and afraid of looking like sellouts to look at your leaders and ask them how the fukk they let this happen

nobodys saying support trump, but the apathetic attitudes DEMOCRATS have had for black people bit them in the ass here :francis:
 
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