He didn’t release any albums in the 2000s. But he was still a prominent producer and Aftermath was all over the place.
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Why wouldn’t the p*ssycat Dolla song count? It’s his most popular song on his page?
And for Mobb Dee you said the Outta Control Remix increased streaming, so why wouldn’t the Chris Brown song factor in for Busta?
The way I explained it in the post you quoted. Busta had the bigger singles. 5 top ten singles as the lead artist to Nas’ zero. That’s not including Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See, Pass The Courvoiser or Break Ya Neck.
Plus Bus is eating off those p*ssycat Doll streams. Something like 330 million of them. It’s his biggest song.
Busta has definitely made music that has stood the test of time and been on pretty much every single remix of every notable song ever.
He even had a cameo in Wu Tang’s Cribs episode.
He has never set foot in his own home.
Why do you keep ignoring the multiple times that I’ve said you need to look to context?
You just keep repeating a lie and ignoring nuance.
Naughty wasn’t bigger than Mobb Deep at their peak?
I was just pointing out your hypocrisy in downplaying Bone’s gold comeback album in 2007 but playing up Cube’s gold album in whatever year that album came out.
Only one if Busta's Top 10 singles appears in his top streaming songs. Outside of "Don't Cha", all of his songs have about the same amount of plays the Nas songs. Nas's "NY State of Mind" has over 100 million streams and it never was a single.
You can't sit there and say that "Don't Cha" ran up Busta's monthly listeners up by that much when you have artists who have songs with nearly 300 million streams with far less monthly listeners.
And regardless of how many cameos, remixes, and features, he still sold less than Nas consistently for over a decade far longer than Bone outsold Mobb with far less successful singles. Yet, here we are discussing that present day streams are indicative of how timeless the music is.
It wasn't downplaying. Ice Cube's best selling albums sold 1million+. Him going gold 16 years after his debut with an independent album is a feat. Bone was a group that was selling 4 million records. Bone was going gold 13 years later with Akon and Mariah on their singles. Nothing to downplay.
Actually, they don’t have about the same amount of plays. Busta’s #5 is Touch It with around 20 million. Nas doesn’t have an old song with that low of a play count on his top 5. Also, they both have a recent song on the list taking up a spot, so really, it’s a top 4. It is a “popular songs” list after all, not strictly the top 5 songs with the highest play count.
So it’s a function of play count and how recent the plays are.
Be interesting to see more of the list for both of them.
Don’t Cha is past 400 million today. Fun fact, Cee Lo is singing on that song. I believe he wrote it.
NY State of Mind really speaks to how Illmatic has stood the test of time
I’m not saying all 10.5 million are Don’t Cha, but I imagine if Dont Cha is removed, the gap between Nas and Busta disappears or is far less. That’s speculation though. Obviously the Dont Cha streams are factored in to his monthly listeners, obviously it’s a significant number, it’s his biggest song, we don’t know the precise number though. That seems fair right?
He sold less albums. He had higher charting singles.
Actually, they don’t have about the same amount of plays. Busta’s #5 is Touch It with around 20 million. Nas doesn’t have an old song with that low of a play count on his top 5. Also, they both have a recent song on the list taking up a spot, so really, it’s a top 4. It is a “popular songs” list after all, not strictly the top 5 songs with the highest play count.
So it’s a function of play count and how recent the plays are.
Be interesting to see more of the list for both of them.
Don’t Cha is past 400 million today. Fun fact, Cee Lo is singing on that song. I believe he wrote it.
NY State of Mind really speaks to how Illmatic has stood the test of time
So how does "NY State of Mind" having a high play count factor into Illmatic standing the test of time? It is a 90's album that appears nowhere in the most streamed albums of the 90's and by your logic, streams indicate a timeless a work is.
You see how ridiculous that sounds. Busta loses 2 million listeners because of one song? Make it make sense.
You are missing both of the points here.
1. You tried to argue that Mobb Deep streamed more now because of the Outta Control remix being a big record in 2005 while Bone fell off after the 90s. When I pointed out that Bone had a comeback with the 2007 gold album and platinum single. You downplayed it and insisted that Bone could only be compared to groups that were big in the 90s but fell off in the 90s. So I pointed to Cube and you hypocritically argued that Cube couldn’t be compared to Bone because he had a gold album in the 2000s and was thus going strong in the 2000s and not a rapper who fell off in the 90s like Bone and Mobb. This is contradictory. You are applying a different standard to Bone than Mobb and Cube.
2. You have argued that visibility and presence factor into streaming. Shook Ones was in 8 Mile and that visibility then factors into their streams today. By that logic, the bigger push Bone would have got on a major in 2007 should lead to increased visibility today, compared to Cube being independent in 06.