Boardwalk Empire Season 5 Thread

[Curtis Nightfish]

This is a really important point about Nucky. He assumes that everyone around him has the same motivations as him. All he had to do was treat Eli like a brother and Jimmy like a son and they would never have turned on him. Instead he assumes that they are strictly motivated by money, like he is. In the final shot of Eli he desperately searching through that bag hoping that there is something else besides money in there. In Gillian's final scene Nucky tells her she has a private room and a trust fund if she gets out, but at that point Gillian probably would have preferred a lie. Something to let her keep her Blanche DuBois fantasies afloat. If Nucky had lied to her said "don't worry I am working with some powerful men to get you out of here", Gillian would have died happily waiting around for that day to come. Instead Nucky offers money, because that's the only way he can imagine a human being motivated.

Great points. Even down to the last scene when he is talking with Tommy. He asks him what he did with the thousand he gave him and he says he ran through it. Nucky slipped the hundred into his pocket and the kid says something like "money is the only answer you have?" and Nucky hits him with the "its the best answer I can come up with"

 

[Wise]

The most disturbing thing about their relationship is how even when Nucky goes to see her in the Psych Ward, he still acting hard like he didn't have anything to do with her being a complete mess.

He even implied that she "won" because she was in there and not in jail

I think when she struggled to get up and walk, he then reconsidered.

 

[mastermind]

I promise I'll always look after you

I always held Nucky above, but breh is a complete monster. He deserved his fate.

 

[DPresidential]

Brehs... some "thinking outside of the box" analysis...

1. I wonder if Gillian could have got in touch w/ Luciano... His dikk couldn't even work w/o her. He could have pulled some strings, or muscled Dr. Cotton, to get her out. We all know he was too big to have her as his wiz but he could have at least done that for her. Maybe she didn't know how to rach him or know if he was alive.

2. Even if Tommy set out to kill Nucky... Let's be real... Killing a human being takes extreme emotional displacement. Unless we are to assume that Tommy, after leaving that home in the midwest, had a very dark journey trying to make it to Nucky, he wouldn't have had the heart to actually pull the trigger, especially not like a trained killer.

One of two things should have happened...

Nucky turns his back & sees the Feds about to arrest him...

Tommy pulls the hammer out on Nucky & tells Nuck to turn around.

Nucky turns, is shocked at the thought of Tommy about to end his life. Tommy, visibly scared, tells him who he is. Tommy's hands shaking uncontrollably, closes his eyes as Nucky says, you don't have to do this. Pulls the trigger aimlessly, like a person shooting someone for the first time, & shoots Nucky in the shoulder.

Nucky falls back into the crates & Tommy starts firing recklessly shooting Nucky one time in the leg & missing all other 4 shots.

Tommy has one more bullet in the chamber & aims at Nucky with no hesitation and...

Spoiler: What happens next...

The Feds, without saying anything, pump Tommy's body w/ at least 25 rounds of pistol fire do drop him to the ground. Nucky just sits there realizing the ultimate Full circle, how his decision to make GIllian trust him int he arms of the Commodore has destroyed generations, not just one person.

The Feds tell Nucky he's under arrest.

That or Tommy takes the pistol out & blows his own head off in front of Nucky.




But... Can we talk about who, in the Boardwalk Universe, took the biggest L?

Margaret... She was an invite away from being JFK's mother.

 

[Nino Soprano]

Narcisse murder was the best shot of the season to me....Jeffrey Wright made that shyt look so smooth lol

And why didn't any of his men across the street fire back at the 2 hitmen....they all just stood across the street like

It would've been dope if they showed a lil cameo of Madame St Clair meeting with Lucky after the hit like "Me & You, Now we work "

 

[Wise]

I see a lot of yall complaining about the ending but really, how in the world would you end it? I think majority of you are on the bandwagon of hating the ending for either 2 reasons

a) It was speculated earlier in the season (I wish whoever it was never did so I would've been when it happened) so it ruined the element of surprise
b) Hating on it just cause

It's a television show. What did you want, Nucky walking down the boardwalk buying a bag of popcorn? I can somewhat understand the "cheesy" factor to it, but not the unwarranted hate. Personally, and this might be against the grain, but I HATED Jimmy. I found the cat to be one of the most overrated cats in television history, I never understood the praise for him. Yall never praised Nucky's butler though, aside from the snitching

This was easily my favorite show. The beginning of this season really killed it. Aspects of the show that really turned it off for me was the Cuba storyline, the latest girl Nucky messed around with, Margaret and the hospital scenario. I actually never liked Rosetti or Owen much either.

Every scene in this episode Capone was in he killed. The one with the son when he put his fists upand when he was in the car alone before exiting for court. That scene showed he was a human and things do affect him, but for the public, he gave them what he wanted by smiling and being funny, the exact opposite of how he felt.

Young Nuck and Gillian . He promised he would always look after her . Word I had a feeling when he visited her and she struggled to get up and walk , he reconsidered about his standpoint. At least, I hope so.

It was cool to see Nucky open up the postcard that Mabel gave him from when they were kids. After all the broads he hit up in his lifetime, that one is the one he genuinely cared about.

I don't even think Narcisse had a full 20 minutes of airtime throughout the whole episodes .


to Boardwalk Empire, you could've went longer, could've removed certain aspects but it was better than 95% of shows I've seen.

 

[trollol]

the way they treated jimmy's character after he died really showed that kiling him wasnt the initial plan... that actor mustve been a giant pain in the azz

they fukked up van alden too... he was setup to be nukcy's main law enforcement foil... but in season 1 he was a super religious caricature... remember him whipping himself to marraget's photo luckily the 180 they went with his arc and turning him into comedy relief worked

overall i give he show a C+

not hating, but most peple who shyt on the show are frustrated becaused it couldve been a goat, but ended up just meh

wasted potential brehs

 

[NvrCMyNut]

the ending was kind of predictable, always thought that kid was tommy.

 

[trollol]

What makes the Tommy Darmody twist so stupid is how they tried to pretend jimmy didn't exsist for 2+ seasons after they killed him off. Then tried to bring it back full circle in a vain attempt to show how Nuckys actions haunt him. Even then did they even mention Jimmy once this season. The writers tried to use Gillian as the focal point instead of revisiting Jimmy.

Also the Dr. Narcisse shooting was so unsatisfying. The dr was a good character but i hated him and wanted him to die. It felt like they just killed him off to tie loose ends. Like "Hey, theres still this character left to resolve....., lets just shoot a scene killing him and the end."

terrible

 

[the cac mamba]

are you saying you've now realized the brilliance of The Sopranos ending? Because it was was ballsy as fukk. .

exactly

the wire ending, breaking bad, boardwalk...not "bad" or "lacking" per se, but compared to what the sopranos did, i dont know. hard to describe exactly what im tryna say. maybe they realized the challenge of ending such a series and left it open ended for completely the right reason

plus the fact that its tonys perspective (the black), and dude popped him, so you were seeing from his persepctive, thats just fukkin sick

 

[K-Deini]

i have to get this off my chest

i guess this is a show review

like it or not, the writing turned what could have been a 5 star classic show into a 4 mic mc wit 5 mic potential

the acting was superb EVERY YEAR

but this show did not know what it wanted to do.

SECTION A: JIMMY


it spent 2 years cultivating a vibe around a young jimmy darmody, broken back from the war, ready to become one of nuckys foot soldiers in the bootlegging age

jimmy looks at nucky like a father and nuckytreats jimmy like a b*stard nobody who he passes up

jimmy drops the most important quote to nucky, the supposed BOSS of the show

"you cant be half a gangster"

the show itself is based on that quote and the entertainment that quote brought

jimmy is contemporary oif capone, showing him being partners for a time wit the gangsta...

and of course introduced us to the SUPER GOON team of jimmy/harrow


ok this might be long but....nh


end of season 1, jimmy is approached by the greedy commodore (his own fathers whos true disgusting nature isnt seen until this year... brilliantly played.. writing wise and actor wise) and his own loving brother eli (who as we go thru the show.. IDK why eli ever hated nucky like that after looking upto him his whole life. thats like @K-Deini killing me cause i got a bigger plate at the dinner table

ALL THE WHILE THE SHOW GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO SHOW THAT JIMMY DID NOOOOOOT WANT TO DO IT

Nucky ends up doing business with everyone in the room who voted to have nucky killed..yet only jimmyu dies and eli somehow skates this time.

nucky does business with the man who brutally murders jimmys wife and puts jimmy pout to pasture... even tho jimmy coulda brought harrow and killed everyone there. he didnt wanna live anymore. and drops the second most important gem to nucky AGAIN that sets the tone

"when you run out of booze and run out of company, the only person left to judge you is yourself"

season 1-2 were awesome to me. the writing was great besides...

mention the weirdo sex incest shytr between jimmy n his mom that was uneeded. typical winter shyt


SECTION B (BE: SEASON 3 AKA POST JIMMY)

after two classic seasons that set up what could have been the greatest tv show of all time.. we get introduced to a new BE

jimmys gone. leaving harrow on the sidelines/ the dynamics of what made the show so great changes and unfortunately not for the better. season 3 starts with a bang. we are introduced to gyp rosetti who is unfairly hated on here for reasons unknown.

dude brought that loose cannon vibe back to BE when jimmy was killed. the other characters are predictable but gyp is a true loose cannon and made for tv/.

his quip to AR "kike creeping around like a fukking dentist with the ether" is all time classic

the same AR at nuckys party who earlier tried to have nucky killed is now chillin with nucky and telling him "this is why I enjoy our friendship, goo conversation". (more on AR later)

while gyp puts onb a fukking entertainment clinic, the writing starts to crack.

gillians story with the fake jimmy death was horrible.

margerette (yes i went all this way witout mention her. the one consistant weak point on the show) does some stupid doctor bullshyt after fukking nucky over and over after he really saved her life from being someone like his mother; a broken down and beaten old woman.

OWEN: jimmys replacement/ they tried to make owen look hard wit that strangle kill in the bathroom. dude wanted to get sweet in there and made a messy kill. jimmy woulda gutted that mofo 1-2-3. he was the "irish specialist" blwing up jimmys shyt in season 2.. but in season 3 hes far worse

OWEN AND MARGETTE: wouldnt be terence winter witout some weirdo taboo shyt in there (see jimmy/his mom, the reason narcisse even comes to AC/vito sucking dikk in the sopranos etc)

owen n margette start fukking and we learn marg was basically a whore. and she fukks owen behind nuckys back and own says he leavin with her (after having his own fine ass woman). so this unloyal mofo goes and impregantes the bosses wife after she lysolling her p*ssy to make sure she aint pregs wit nuckys kid.

ive never been so happy the day i seen own slumped like a pile of laudry in that fukking box. this bum thought he coulda took joe the boss out. YOU AINT JIMMY OR HARROW HOMIE. YOU AINT BUILT FOR THIS

so nucks down and out... his only ally is really our man chalky.. whos starting to come into his own

hes shown at home, insecure wit his own wife. planting seeds. hes shown as a loving father n husband who is in control of AC

chalky stands up for nucky against gyp. making him the only one wit class on nucks whole team. but nucky still outgunned so he forges alliances with chi town and calls the goons up to war wit masseria..except..

except my man harrow comes in with the call of duty nuke kill streak and starts no scoping a whore house full of gangsters to save JIMMYS kid

remember jimmy? the show doesnt by season 4 either. he gets a 2 min panic attack scene when nuck sees the altar boy with a hole in its cheek. jimmy is essentially never mentioned again in relation to nuck throughout the show and the show turns into something else going in season 4

SEASON 4 (CUCKOLD COUPLE STARTS WAR IN ATLANTIC CITY)

in classic winter fashion, more taboo weirdo shyt is shown for no reason other than to make chalkys b man look like a savage and white people some freaks.

Narcisse basically comes into the show over some freaky porn shyt. think about that for a second. if this was any other show i swear no pass would be given

this sets up chalky. the proud family man who loves his fam to death and does anything for them. gives them what he never had, an education, a chance, etc

well that was all good until son seen that yellow bone and shyt went out the window

heres what i started getting out of season 4 on some shyt cause the fukkery never ended
a) the most educated, positive speaking black man on the show was secretly a PIMP, a GOVT INFORMANT.. AGAINT BLACKS THEMSELVES and the original pusher of HEROIN to black neighborhoods that are still destroyed by their effects almost 100 years later. all the while calling others out for shucking and jiving for the white man
b)his opposite chalky, is a poor educated, true man of his people and community. he was a good man. but his prior insecurities with himself caused by narcisse getting into his head turns him into a DEADBEAT as he LEAVES HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN for some yellowbone who leaves him after a few days.
c)the original THOT daughter maintalnd... nothing to really say except she was a hoe
d)chalkys right hand man STABS HIM IN THE BACK. unloyal as fukk after chalky gave him everything.

why is every black character on this show essentially a ROTTEN piece of shyt

i mena it woulda been ok if that was the season 4 sideplot... but that WAS the strory of season 4

the god harrow on the bench athe all star game but playin pickup games wit some bums outta state

the writing ATTEMPTS to put seeds in ya head that he aint built for this anymore. I guess saving Tommy and killing 20 mobsters witha sniper rifle INSIDE a house just took it outta him this year. again 'brilliant' writing bywinter as the old advice jimmy gave nucky TWICE with "you cant be half a gangster" and "after the booz, the only person left to judge you is yourself"

and what happens? after finding something worth fighting for, after another year long layoff afterbusting shots at gillians.. son loses the rest of his smile and pulls a scott norwood at the big game



and KILLS CHALKYS DAUGHTER

of all the moves made. of all the ways to go out.

Richard harrow th last remaining gawd of the boardwalk is killed witha 22 to the gut at long range and goes to the beach to die with a new family waiting for him. chalky gets his daughter killed over some fukking p*ssy yall...

eli fukks up again and is given a 3rd chance exiled in chicago for killing the fed. i grew to like eli since he did his bid. he did his time. he provided for his family. he loves his family. and nucky involved his son and "wanted to take my (eli) family away" cause he didnt have one of his own

the only character making PROGRESS this entire time is CAPONE and VANALDEN. lucky/meyer seem held back by their bosses. Joe the boss and AR. bringing me to here...

SECTION C-A (A.R./UNTOLD STORIES/WHAT COULDA HAPPENED)

since season 1... my fav character besides jimmy was arnodl rothstein. I was not aware that rothstein basically ran a college program for gangsters. lucky,legs,meyer,etc. the list goes on. he was a major part of season1 as he was the BRAIN behind all these guys. i mean the show starts with the world series scandal which was HUUGE in the media.

His cunning/the way he handled himself was always top notch. not only was he put on as nucks equal in the "professional gsngter" world, this pale fukk was as cold as the milk he sipped on and so incredibly interesting beause he akways knew the odds and always had something up his sleeve.

how could you hate AR as he made money giving up the delessios and selling mickeys life insurance policy incase nucky needed him rubbed out if he was low on cash

AR has great character development throughout the show, with season 4 showing the first cracks in his armor which mirrored his real life...

and we all know AR was about the die.. we all knew it would be great tv, we knew the gangster shyt was about to fukking POPOFF. AR passing was the handoff for them boys to run and for the syndicate to really get going


but then we got season 5

tomorrow ima drop

SECTON D ( SEASON 5 aka SEASON aka BE leads the league in RUSHING). im too mad to even think about this past season.

 

[the cac mamba]

i think that's why they never show him actually die

*ghostface* the fukk you mean, is he fukkin dead

 

[GoldenGlove]

Narcisse murder was the best shot of the season to me....Jeffrey Wright made that shyt look so smooth lol

And why didn't any of his men across the street fire back at the 2 hitmen....they all just stood across the street like

It would've been dope if they showed a lil cameo of Madame St Clair meeting with Lucky after the hit like "Me & You, Now we work "

No it wasn't, there was no build up for his death scene. Just some shyt they threw in there just because they could



I would of much rather saw Chalky kill that dude than the Italians

 

[the cac mamba]

No it wasn't, there was no build up for his death scene. Just some shyt they threw in there just because they could



I would of much rather saw Chalky kill that dude than the Italians

yea i wasnt impressed

although lets not forget that it played an actual part in the ep: lucky n meyer planning his death, but you didnt know whether or not they were talking about gettin nucky hit in the street

 

[GoldenGlove]

yea i wasnt impressed

although lets not forget that it played an actual part in the ep: lucky n meyer planning his death, but you didnt know whether or not they were talking about gettin nucky hit in the street

I didn't know who they were talking about in that scene until we saw it play out.

Could have been Torrio, Nucky, or the Dr. to be honest with you.