Boardwalk Empire Season 4 Thread

[RhymesWell]

Not to be a leech but where do y'all recommend me catching this show if I don't have HBO. Finally just got caught up from season 3.

 

[Luke Cage]

Lol

I should reel in my comments...I only call him a servant to allude to the Dr. Narcisse lime...he is clearly not Mickey or Eli. But he'sb also not a Capone, Lucky, or Meyer. Those guys ain't bosses at this point. If they had beef with AR/Masseria, how many soldiers would ride with them? Chalky would have an army of black men riding with him. In that sense he's far more of a boss than them. But, alas, this is Amerikkka, so that white privilege gives them a luxury chalky can't afford.

I think Dr. Narcisse's main point is that Chalky's tryna make it in the white man's world...he'll always be a servant there. Chalky's approaching it wrong. I suspect Dr. Narcisse is supposed to be the king of Harlem. That's his domain. He doesn't beg for a theatre in Times square, he rules his kingdom. When people want black talent, they go throughost him and have to treat him like a boss even if they think he's sub-human. He doesn't respect brothers, excuse me, Lybians who chuck and jive to be a part of the white man's world/power structure. It's comparable to the debate today of the black man who excels in corporate america vs the black man who says fukk that, I'm starting my own company.

it's because of that i think chalky will come out of this season much stronger as a result. he's gonna learn some valuable lessons. and Dr. Narcisse who is a fictional character can't survive too long because historically there were some other famous black crime figures who ran harlem in the late 20s and 30s. Ironically Madam St Clair (aka madam queen) was also of trini origin.

 

[obarth]

say breh..where do you have GoT? I love that one as much if not more than BE.

It's a top 5 show right now and top 10 all time to me. Game of Thrones is a special case. It's an adaptation of a series that isn't done yet and the show might catch up to it before the series is done being written. If I knew how the books ended I could give a more concrete opinion. As far as the three seasons we've seen: it's an incredible adaptation that's been able to avoid the pitfalls of being a "genre" show and has become a cultural phenomenon. It's a feat in itself that GoT has managed to have the impact it's had being a fantasy show. Yes, there's sex and violence, but a show with dragons, magic, swords and shields used to be relegated to WB channel cult followings. Critics rarely take these type of shows seriously, either. People care about the characters on this show and align themselves to these fictional families. It's an incredibly dense story with a lot of moving parts and names to remember, yet an ADD society tunes in every week and keeps up with each storyline. If the adaptation stays faithful enough while being quality in the places they stray away from the source material, and the actual book series (there's two books left to be written) finishes on a high note, Game of Thrones could be top 3. As much as I hate to say it, though, it could also end up being a huge disappointment like Lost

As for the convo going on right now, assuming Chalky doesn't meet an untimely end, Narcisse might be the best thing that happens to him. An argument could be made that relative to the realms they operate in, Chalky is as much if not more than a boss than Nucky. Chalky is the HNIC in black AC, while Nucky is one of many bosses on the eastern seaboard operating in the bootlegging business. Two obviously disparate realms, obviously. Things don't really work in relative terms in the real world. Nucky is a progressive guy, again relative to his time, but he doens't view Chalky as an equal. I think we all get the sense that Nucky's interactions with Chalky at times come off condescending or like he's dealing with a subordinate. Meanwhile Chalky's character has come off as one looking for acceptance for a while. Not just in terms of power, but also status and class. Narcisse is going to present the biggest challenge he's ever had in a lot of ways. Business-wise obviously but Narcisse is going to be the impetus for a lot of self reflection and the source of a lot of anger.

 

[FlyRy]

It's a top 5 show right now and top 10 all time to me. Game of Thrones is a special case. It's an adaptation of a series that isn't done yet and the show might catch up to it before the series is done being written. If I knew how the books ended I could give a more concrete opinion. As far as the three seasons we've seen: it's an incredible adaptation that's been able to avoid the pitfalls of being a "genre" show and has become a cultural phenomenon. It's a feat in itself that GoT has managed to have the impact it's had being a fantasy show. Yes, there's sex and violence, but a show with dragons, magic, swords and shields used to be relegated to WB channel cult followings. Critics rarely take these type of shows seriously, either. People care about the characters on this show and align themselves to these fictional families. It's an incredibly dense story with a lot of moving parts and names to remember, yet an ADD society tunes in every week and keeps up with each storyline. If the adaptation stays faithful enough while being quality in the places they stray away from the source material, and the actual book series (there's two books left to be written) finishes on a high note, Game of Thrones could be top 3. As much as I hate to say it, though, it could also end up being a huge disappointment like Lost

I'm confident that thrones will remain good as long as they keep renewing it.supposedly martin told hbo how it ends in case he continues to get :flabbnsick: and

.i think of the current great dramas homeland has the most potential for fall off. i want that damn brody storyline to die..i was hoping every year would be a new threat similar to 24.. where u rank homeland breh?

 

[Suicide King]

As for the convo going on right now, assuming Chalky doesn't meet an untimely end, Narcisse might be the best thing that happens to him. An argument could be made that relative to the realms they operate in, Chalky is as much if not more than a boss than Nucky. Chalky is the HNIC in black AC, while Nucky is one of many bosses on the eastern seaboard operating in the bootlegging business. Two obviously disparate realms, obviously. Things don't really work in relative terms in the real world. Nucky is a progressive guy, again relative to his time, but he doens't view Chalky as an equal. I think we all get the sense that Nucky's interactions with Chalky at times come off condescending or like he's dealing with a subordinate. Meanwhile Chalky's character has come off as one looking for acceptance for a while. Not just in terms of power, but also status and class. Narcisse is going to present the biggest challenge he's ever had in a lot of ways. Business-wise obviously but Narcisse is going to be the impetus for a lot of self reflection and the source of a lot of anger.

How is that the best thing to happen to him?

Narcisse is scum.

If that happens they wasted 4 seasons on developing Chalky.

Even though Nucky and Chalky commit crimes, none of them are at the same level of scummingness as Narcisse. Narcisse is a manipulator, a sociopath, neither Chalky or Nucky is dumb enough to fall for his act. These guys do thing in their own way, Nucky through politics and Chalky through the black community.

How soon do you guys forget, Nucky doesn't even see the President of the United States (Woodrow Wilson) as he equal. And Nucky has shiited on some major gangstas, even Masseria, who had Gyp and Rothstein scared shiitless. Nucky and Chalky don't operate at the same level.

Even then...Chalky never needed Nucky to operate on the black side of town, that's why it comedy when people downplay Chalky. (This like saying Bumpy Johnson was a surboniate to Dutch Schultz and Luciano in Harlem). When has Chalky ever have to answer to Nucky? Chalky even backed down the KKK, and killed white men witnofukksgiven.

But of course everyone is impressed by a two bit huslter who manages acts, and spits bible verses. While both Nucky and Chalky has tied down entire towns.

 

[obarth]

I'm confident that thrones will remain good as long as they keep renewing it.supposedly martin told hbo how it ends in case he continues to get :flabbnsick: and

.i think of the current great dramas homeland has the most potential for fall off. i want that damn brody storyline to die..i was hoping every year would be a new threat similar to 24.. where u rank homeland breh?

GRRM told the show creators how it ends but they essentially have the skeleton instead of the whole body. HBO basically just has to worry about adapting an already done product to the screen. The books are even written like a movie or TV show where chapters end on mini cliff hangers.

I think Homeland is amazing and have it just behind GoT right now. This season will go a long way in determining what heights the show can reach. I do hope the Brody storyline concludes this season, tho.

How is that the best thing to happen to him?

Narcisse is scum.

If that happens they wasted 4 seasons on developing Chalky.

Even though Nucky and Chalky commit crimes, none of them are at the same level of scummingness as Narcisse. Narcisse is a manipulator, a sociopath, neither Chalky or Nucky is dumb enough to fall for his act. These guys do thing in their own way, Nucky through politics and Chalky through the black community.

How soon do you guys forget, Nucky doesn't even see the President of the United States (Woodrow Wilson) as he equal. And Nucky has shiited on some major gangstas, even Masseria, who had Gyp and Rothstein scared shiitless. Nucky and Chalky don't operate at the same level.

Even then...Chalky never needed Nucky to operate on the black side of town, that's why it comedy when people downplay Chalky. (This like saying Bumpy Johnson was a surboniate to Dutch Schultz and Luciano in Harlem). When has Chalky ever have to answer to Nucky? Chalky even backed down the KKK, and killed white men witnofukksgiven.

But of course everyone is impressed by a two bit huslter who manages acts, and spits bible verses. While both Nucky and Chalky has tied down entire towns.

I already said how. Narcisse is going to genuinely challenge Chalky in ways he hasn't been challenged thus far. Narcisse is going to challenge his very insecurities and doubts. shyt, he's already started to do that.

 

[Suicide King]

I already said how. Narcisse is going to genuinely challenge Chalky in ways he hasn't been challenged thus far. Narcisse is going to challenge his very insecurities and doubts. shyt, he's already started to do that.

I'm trying to remember when has Chalky ever had doubts and insecurities. You will have to refresh my memory.

 

[obarth]

I'm trying to remember when has Chalky ever had doubts and insecurities. You will have to refresh my memory.

Season 2 is where you're going to find the majority of those examples. The scenes with his family come to mind though:



There's a lot that leads up to that that further displays what I'm talking about.

 

[Suicide King]

Season 2 is where you're going to find the majority of those examples. The scenes with his family come to mind though:



There's a lot that leads up to that that further displays what I'm talking about.

A father being taken for granted or undermined at the dinner table is not very convincing.

I know they showed Narcisse shooting a cop in the promo for season 4, so I'm curious to see what he is about. He did threatened Nucky and Chalky about how he can make clubs go out of business, so I hope he is more than a common criminal. I agree he would be a foe for Chalky, but 1940s racist America is a foe for Chalky, so this rivalry might get boring real quick if its mostly Narcisse trying to son Chalky.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Dis n1gga Chalky still cant read? Chalk. Get wifey to teach you on the low.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Dis n1gga Chalky still cant read? Chalk. Get wifey to teach you on the low.

I'm pretty sure his wife doesn't know he can't read....his son knows tho, he shoulda got him to teach him.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I'm pretty sure his wife doesn't know he can't read....his son knows tho, he shoulda got him to teach him.

Wasnt there a scene when they were sitting at a table and she asked him what he wanted for dinner when the boyfriend was coming over. He told her Hoppin John or some sh1t. But before that he asked his son something about school, and the son said something smart suggesting Chalky couldn't help him with his schoolwork. Wifey told Jr to stop fukkin with pops. I think she knows.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Wasnt there a scene when they were sitting at a table and she asked him what he wanted for dinner when the boyfriend was coming over. He told her Hoppin John or some sh1t. But before that he asked his son something about school, and the son said something smart suggesting Chalky couldn't help him with his schoolwork. Wifey told Jr to stop fukkin with pops. I think she knows.

But then why'd she bring the book to the cell?

Clearly his son was fukking with him (when you couple that with the dinner scene). His wife wouldn't have brought the book if she knew. Hell, she wouldn't have suggested chalky help him with his homework if she knew he couldn't read. She scolded him, cuz
he was talking disrespectfully.

I think she's oblivious to that fact.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

But then why'd she bring the book to the cell?

Clearly his son was fukking with him (when you couple that with the dinner scene). His wife wouldn't have brought the book if she knew. Hell, she wouldn't have suggested chalky help him with his homework if she knew he couldn't read. She scolded him, cuz
he was talking disrespectfully.

I think she's oblivious to that fact.

I dont remember her asking
him to help, but I do remember her bringing the book. Good point. But the book did have pictures

You probably right doe. His wife does seem stuck up and wrapped up in her own sh1t

 

[Francis White]

The Dr, is a smart guy who looks at the big picture, the long term results of action, he says Chalky as being a flunky because he wants to be scene, he wants to be the man, look at Nucky now, he is behind the scenes in that hotel doing business, same with Capone, he in Cicero those guys have plans to be a part of everything and get there share, Chalky is a good man, but he needed to improve himself, reading and expressing himself in a more civil manner would improve him in the long run, I see the Dr. as a Johnny Torrio type stays behind the scene but yet is a part of everything that goes on. In the next episode the Dr is getting in the dope business with AR, he sees that as power. If him and Chalky do clash it will be over the junk his performers will on and maybe what he has his men sell to the Nordic tribe.