Boardwalk Empire Season 4 Thread

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Eff that, you still have to respect Chalky. He's a boss nonetheless, just not on the scale of the others, but he does hold real power. He's no different than hotheaded Lucky or sociopath Capone, or even Jimmy or Benny. They are all learning to play the game, the difference is that they are under someone's tutelage while Chalky is out there fending for himself.

I still have respect for Chalky, he's doing it bigger than any brother in AC and he seized opportunity in getting that club.

However, he's half stepping. He's supposed to be a boss but can't even read.

I understand he can't advertise that fact, but once it became clear that he was no longer fooling his son, he should have swallowed his pride and had his son teach him...discreetly.

It'll be interesting how to see how this season goes. Will he be motivated by the Good Doctor and step his game up? Or will he continue being a servant acting like a boss? (I think it's clear he gets no help from Narcisse...he doesn't respect Chalky)

I predict the former but only time will tell.

 

[Suicide King]

The new prohibition officer is too slimy, Nucky is smart to back him down.

Also, he killed all the simpery and x'd that broad out.

 

[nieman]

I still have respect for Chalky, he's doing it bigger than any brother in AC and he seized opportunity in getting that club.

However, he's half stepping. He's supposed to be a boss but can't even read.

I understand he can't advertise that fact, but once it became clear that he was no longer fooling his son, he should have swallowed his pride and had his son teach him...discreetly.

It'll be interesting how to see how this season goes. Will he be motivated by the Good Doctor and step his game up? Or will he continue being a servant acting like a boss? (I think it's clear he gets no help from Narcisse...he doesn't respect Chalky)

I predict the former but only time will tell.

I don't think he's a "servant, acting like a boss"; he's a boss that not on the level of the other bosses. He's not Eli, he's not Mickey Doyle; he's Capone & Lucky. Or a better comparison is the way Masseria sonned Nucky; Nucky isn't quite on the level of Masseria either.

 

[Francis White]

I don't think he's a "servant, acting like a boss"; he's a boss that not on the level of the other bosses. He's not Eli, he's not Mickey Doyle; he's Capone & Lucky. Or a better comparison is the way Masseria sonned Nucky; Nucky isn't quite on the level of Masseria either.

Lucky and Capone way past Chalky White, not even close. Chalky is great guy, a good guy to have on your team, he is loyal, resourceful and capable but he is not seeing the Dr or Nucky in anyway. Capone and Lucky start revenue streams on their own, they see the big picture, they want more. Chalky is a cog in the wheel, needed but replaceable. Nucky gave the mayor Edward Bader that same lesson that the Dr gave Chalky, where is my money and how much and when i am getting my next cut. Bader was helpless. remember this scene?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I don't think he's a "servant, acting like a boss"; he's a boss that not on the level of the other bosses. He's not Eli, he's not Mickey Doyle; he's Capone & Lucky. Or a better comparison is the way Masseria sonned Nucky; Nucky isn't quite on the level of Masseria either.

He's not the boss of that club. Everybody knows, or believes, it's Nucky. Whether it's Narcisse or it's some random broad Nucky is boning.

Nucky is on Masseria's level, btw, he just ain't in as big of a market as NY. There's no one above Nuck in his organization

 

[Reality Check]

Little off-topic, but I'm and at Grantland shytting on this season. They have been on their high horses shytting on this and Ray Donovan (which last episode was off the charts). Article is too long to post but the link is below

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9631347/hbo-boardwalk-empire-returns

 

[Suicide King]

He's not the boss of that club. Everybody knows, or believes, it's Nucky. Whether it's Narcisse or it's some random broad Nucky is boning.

Only reason Nucky cut the deal because he knows extortion when he sees it, Dr. Narcisse comes righteous, but Nucky sees right through that act. The white girl got noosed for not seeing it. Probably the most important thing you should take away, not some nonsense about "servant this", "servant that."

No one respects Chalky, especially in this era of a very racist America. Chalky don't care about respect, though. Never seen him be sensitive about it, either. He is the HNIC on the black side of town. And he just strong armed his way into the white side of town, even though Nucky's initial answer was no. He's all about the power and money, you remember the club his future son-in-law got his face slashed in. Now look where his daughter is gonna have her wedding reception? He humbled those in-laws.

But 4 seasons in, all of a sudden Chalky is a chump, not a boss. Well who is over Chalky?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Only reason Nucky cut the deal because he knows extortion when he sees it, Dr. Narcisse comes righteous, but Nucky sees right through that act. The white girl got noosed for not seeing it. Probably the most important thing you should take away, not some nonsense about "servant this", "servant that."

No one respects Chalky, especially in this era of a very racist America. Chalky don't care about respect, though. Never seen him be sensitive about it, either. He is the HNIC on the black side of town. And he just strong armed his way into the white side of town, even though Nucky's initial answer was no. He's all about the power and money, you remember the club his future son-in-law got his face slashed in. Now look where his daughter is gonna have her wedding reception? He humbled those in-laws.

But 4 seasons in, all of a sudden Chalky is a chump, not a boss. Well who is over Chalky?

Nucky's over chalky. And nobody called chalky a chump.

 

[Luke Cage]

Ya'll talking about chalky like he's mr Wu from deadwood. just a small time boss of his own people.
but ya'll forget that even though Mr. Wu didn't have alot of influence outside his own community he had plenty of muscle.
Chalky proved that last season. Narcisse might be a better businessman but if it comes to a war chalky could easily have the upper hand.

 

[nieman]

Lucky and Capone way past Chalky White, not even close. Chalky is great guy, a good guy to have on your team, he is loyal, resourceful and capable but he is not seeing the Dr or Nucky in anyway. Capone and Lucky start revenue streams on their own, they see the big picture, they want more. Chalky is a cog in the wheel, needed but replaceable. Nucky gave the mayor Edward Bader that same lesson that the Dr gave Chalky, where is my money and how much and when i am getting my next cut. Bader was helpless. remember this scene?

And when Gyp was out there, no one was treating Nucky with any respect. Hell, Jimmy, Pop Commodore, Eli damn near cut off all of Nucky's resources. If Nucky didn't start getting his hands dirty, and didn't have Chalky he would've been walked over. You see Gyp showed Chalky enough respect not to backhand him in front of everyone when he wanted Nucky. 2 seasons ago, everyone was ready to step over Nucky,

And there have been numerous times Chalky has been in the room with AR, and Torrio, not sitting outside like the Mickey Doyles. The only difference is that Lucky and Capone are being groomed to take over, but they still don't command respect as the bosses. AR robbed Lucky. When Capone arrived to aid Nucky, Nucky looked at him like "who the eff are you?" And Masseria gave Nucky that same speech - "do what you want, where's my cut?" All I'm saying is that Chalky is a boss, and people at least respect the power he has over the black community. That alone gets him in the room when others couldn't even get in the building. As it stands, Lucky has no power and Torrio wants to retire and hand it all over to Capone once he's ready.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Ya'll talking about chalky like he's mr Wu from deadwood. just a small time boss of his own people.
but ya'll forget that even though Mr. Wu didn't have alot of influence outside his own community he had plenty of muscle.
Chalky proved that last season. Narcisse might be a better businessman but if it comes to a war chalky could easily have the upper hand.

How you know how much muscle Dr. Narcisse has?










And don't forget the Dr next time. He's studied too long to forgo it.

 

[FlyRy]

Little off-topic, but I'm and at Grantland shytting on this season. They have been on their high horses shytting on this and Ray Donovan (which last episode was off the charts). Article is too long to post but the link is below

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9631347/hbo-boardwalk-empire-returns

i usually agree with greenwalds opinions, but not here.

to anyone who hates on boardwalk.

Its excellent, excellent(kendrick lamar bytch dont kill my vibe remix voice)

 

[FlyRy]

BE has the combo of elite writing, acting, characters and setting to do very special things. I have Breaking Bad 4th after the three you named just off of having told us a great story with defined characters and character arcs while most of the other great shows out now are still early into their runs. Boardwalk has a ton of potential to be 4th imo, and is already an epic show. It just lacks...soul, for want of a better word. Scenes like the ones between Capone and his deaf son stand out not just because of their brilliance but because of their rarity. It can still come off as just a show about gangsters killing each other with some great dialogue and period wardrobe/setting. I always had no problem with them killing off Jimmy, but they haven't given us another main character getting significant/consistent airtime that we can latch onto. I don't know if Nucky, despite being a great character, is that person the audience can latch onto.

That's my objective opinion on why in general the show might not be regarded as highly as some. Me personally, I love BE (loved last season too) and look forward to watching it every week. A lot gets packed into the hour it's on and I'm into highly detailed, complicated shows. I love the 20's setting, love the large cast of characters and multiple, simultaneous storylines, love the dialogue, and love the themes. But I realize this show isn't as accessible as others (just like Mad Men)

As for this episode, it's even more than the first. My island brethren, Dr. Valentin Narcisse, might be getting avi treatment once BB is over

say breh..where do you have GoT? I love that one as much if not more than BE.

 

[Luke Cage]

How you know how much muscle Dr. Narcisse has?










And don't forget the Dr next time. He's studied too long to forgo it.

we'll see.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

we'll see.

Lol

I should reel in my comments...I only call him a servant to allude to the Dr. Narcisse lime...he is clearly not Mickey or Eli. But he'sb also not a Capone, Lucky, or Meyer. Those guys ain't bosses at this point. If they had beef with AR/Masseria, how many soldiers would ride with them? Chalky would have an army of black men riding with him. In that sense he's far more of a boss than them. But, alas, this is Amerikkka, so that white privilege gives them a luxury chalky can't afford.

I think Dr. Narcisse's main point is that Chalky's tryna make it in the white man's world...he'll always be a servant there. Chalky's approaching it wrong. I suspect Dr. Narcisse is supposed to be the king of Harlem. That's his domain. He doesn't beg for a theatre in Times square, he rules his kingdom. When people want black talent, they go throughost him and have to treat him like a boss even if they think he's sub-human. He doesn't respect brothers, excuse me, Lybians who chuck and jive to be a part of the white man's world/power structure. It's comparable to the debate today of the black man who excels in corporate america vs the black man who says fukk that, I'm starting my own company.