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Boardwalk Empire Season 4 Thread
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It didn't strike me until the 5th season that I'd spent all these years watching Jesse be a complete jackass patiently waiting for him to not be a complete jackass. There's only so long I could sit there and hear him say "bytch" and essentially play the comic relief role. If Jesse's on screen it's either jokes or forced moral conflict that always ends up with dude crying. Dude won an Emmy for crying, essentially. Absolutely no nuance to his character at all. I thought when he kliqed up with Mike and started showing some potential that his character might develop, but they gimped him out again and we only got a couple flashes of intelligence again in season 5 with him coming up with some ideas to get them out of sticky situations. Who is Jesse really?
How would you break him down as a character? He's the AJ Soprano of Breakign Bad to me. I gave Hank and Saul their props, but again I never saw any signs of those guys having different facets to their characters. Saul was either funny or being a scumbag to get himself out of shyt. Who is Saul? Hank showed me something in season 5B, but before that he was just alpha male detective dude that likes rocks and craft beer. Both guys are solid actors, but I'll ask you this: what would you say are their transcendent scenes? The scenes that you would use to argue how awesome a character they were? Because I can pick quite a few for the cast of BE:Breaking Bad is about Walter White. That's it. So it doesn't need the other characters to be prominent because in essence they're unimportant outside of their interaction with Walt. Boardwalk's many storylines do intersect with Nucky tending to be that intersection but those storylines also exist independent of one another so it can't survive without an ensemble cast of stellar actors and characters. None of this is me dissing Breaking Bad. I'd go as far a saying it's the most entertaining show of all time but I wont overrate its characters because of the show's overall greatness.
William da gawd didn't take any L's this episode
This season put Boardwalk over Breaking Bad for me as well, if season 5 ends strong, then this show will be the GOAT, Breaking Bad is classic but Boardwalk follows it's own rules, characters like Jimmy and Harrow who are deeply loved get killed, the writers know their audience may be pissed at it, but that's what makes the show great, @obarth hit the nail on the head when he mentioned how Walt would always get a W no matter what. With that said, I'm still sad about what happened to Harrow the Don 
It didn't strike me until the 5th season that I'd spent all these years watching Jesse be a complete jackass patiently waiting for him to not be a complete jackass. There's only so long I could sit there and hear him say "bytch" and essentially play the comic relief role. If Jesse's on screen it's either jokes or forced moral conflict that always ends up with dude crying. Dude won an Emmy for crying, essentially. Absolutely no nuance to his character at all. I thought when he kliqed up with Mike and started showing some potential that his character might develop, but they gimped him out again and we only got a couple flashes of intelligence again in season 5 with him coming up with some ideas to get them out of sticky situations. Who is Jesse really?
Breaking Bad is about Walter White. That's it. So it doesn't need the other characters to be prominent because in essence they're unimportant outside of their interaction with Walt. Boardwalk's many storylines do intersect with Nucky tending to be that intersection but those storylines also exist independent of one another so it can't survive without an ensemble cast of stellar actors and characters. None of this is me dissing Breaking Bad. I'd go as far a saying it's the most entertaining show of all time but I wont overrate its characters because of the show's overall greatness.
i love this show BE, and i too respect your views on lotta shows. i be seeing your coli-fanbase gawk over your lengthy well thought-of reviews that be comical and intriguing at the same time. i blog on films and shows time to time just never cared to really break shyt down in this forum bc i dont always check back to see what ppl say in response. however i must thoroughly disagree with your stance on BB. thus obligating myself to insert my two cents into this healthy debate.
in the end, this all comes down to matter of opinion. every1 is gonna have their own views and preference as to what moves them in what way, giving audiences the cause to pause and be enamoured by what transpires on an emotional level. we all get hit with the chills and goosebumps by different things. we only human. i agree bout the holy trinity being wire, sopranos as 1 n 2 but 3 for me is a very tight toss up between mad men and BB. which i wont make a concrete conclusion on until the finale of mad men (unfortunately amc is gonna drag us fans down the BB route with another year split of a final season which pisses me off, they dont deserve to have another critically acclaimed show ever again).
but breaking bad writing was so top notch so picture perfect, the show basically pitched a near perfect game for 5 seasons as close as any show ever did. although i LOVE the wire and sopranos both those seasons dropped the ball on their final seasons, breaking bad never had one negative season or even average at that. Boardwalk by far stepped up its game in season 4, for the first time ever it catapulted itself toward the greats, but it needs more seasons like this. the first 3 were solid but they shared many episodes where it got stagnant and wasteful. this and Thrones were always tied for 3/4 behind BB and madmen 1/2 of current tv shows IMO. this season it finally passed thrones for me. even though i love thrones. but BB and Mad Men are in there own stratesphere. and as much as i love BE, it does not come close to what gilligan and those actors did. im sorry but i have to vehimently disagree with your stance on saul, jesse, skylar, hank and MIKE??!?!? how on earth are u gonna just overglance mike as a throwaway character. im sorry you kind of lost some of my love with that statment. again i wont condemn one persons view and opinion over another but you sounding a bit homer-ish on BE when u mentioned those characters being basically all relative. i would go into a much longer nerd rant over that statement alone but ive already went OD'd on this topic lol. i love debating amongst my boys n co workers on shows, i feel some of them just watch shows for the sake of next-morning chatter without really WATCHING the show. none worse than last season BB where ppl was watching it bc "it was the cool thing to talk bout" even though they werent real fans. but BB will not be topped by many shows for long time to come. lets let boardwalk breathe a few more seasons like season 4 before we start throwing it up there wit the crown jewels like BB or mad men. all im saying....
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How many L's is lil man Tommy gonna take
His mom, dad, Mima, now Harrow
That's not fair
me and my wife was talking about that after the show. my nikka tommy is going to have a hard life. his mommy died, then his dad died, then went to live with his granny in a whore house and was probably molested. his only bright spot during that period was richard and his girlfriend who went on to become his new parents only for his new daddy to die.
it's
that doyle is still alive though. that a$$hole needs to 
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Rest In Power Kobe
The actress playing Maybelle just RT'd me with a love sign 
jimmy was assBREHS....
Imagine a prequel spinoff starring Jimmy and Harrow during WW1...
I know it would never happen but it would be GOAT
jealousThe actress playing Maybelle just RT'd me with a love sign
my nikka tommy is going to have a hard life. his mommy died, then his dad died, then went to live with his granny in a whore house and was probably molested. his only bright spot during that period was richard and his girlfriend who went on to become his new parents only for his new daddy to die.
And his granddad bout to die of liver failure
Least he'll have his mom
They could pin the agent's murder on a black, but that don't mean Eli ain't still a wanted man. Them cops bust up in the Onyx Club looking specifically for Eli & they found the agent dead in the home of Eli. If it was just that easy to pin it on some black, then there wouldn't be a reason to flee.
Dirty Mcdrawz
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Harrow froze in crunch time 
Sadly I was glad that he died since he took an innocent life...only right
The way Chalky and the goons got to Nucky
When Eli was talking to Nucky in the house before Willie came in I got flashbacks of Jimmy at the end of Season 2
I never did ride with the Dr but I was hoping he would die. Now he a snitch. I hope Chalky gets him next season.
Watching Knox die was poetic justice. Dude was obsessed with taking down prohibition/Nucky.
So I'm assuming season 5 will be the last
Sadly I was glad that he died since he took an innocent life...only right
The way Chalky and the goons got to Nucky
When Eli was talking to Nucky in the house before Willie came in I got flashbacks of Jimmy at the end of Season 2
I never did ride with the Dr but I was hoping he would die. Now he a snitch. I hope Chalky gets him next season.
Watching Knox die was poetic justice. Dude was obsessed with taking down prohibition/Nucky.
So I'm assuming season 5 will be the last