Boardwalk Empire Season 4 Thread

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I'm not saying BE is bad, BTW. I like it a lot, probably an A- in my book. But I compare it to Mad Men/Breaking Bad/The Wire/The Sopranos and the Nucky-sized gap's still there.
I only compare this show to Breaking Bad because I never really see a show entering my top 3 of The Wire, The Sopranos and Mad Men (Maybe Game of Thrones might have a chance one day). That said, with this season I really have to put BE over Breaking Bad. Nucky tends to be the magnet for criticism when it comes to this show, but I look at it differently. I'd much rather have a show like BE where I have a cast full of stellar actors and compelling characters than Breaking Bad where, if we're being honest, Walter White was the only character worth a damn. Gus was a compelling character but he wasn't there for the full run of the show. Jesse is probably the most overrated supporting character of all time and I'm still baffled as to how he won that Emmy. Saul, Hank and Mike were cool characters but if we're being honest they're not nearly on the level of a Chalky, Harrow, Rothstein, Capone, Van Alden or Lansky. That's why it's shortsighted to obsess over the main character(calling Nucky the main character of BE is very flawed thinking but that's another completely different argument). Is Walter White a better character than Nucky Thompson? Of course. Does that make up for the fact that I can list atleast 10 amazing characters on Boardwalk Empire and only two from Breaking Bad? No. Having an ensemble cast this strong can't be brushed away because people obsess over having a main character to root for.

But what I really give this show props for is being willing to challenge its viewers instead of merely settling for being entertaining and giving the viewer what they want. That's why I have the top 3 that I have: they're willing to make you uncomfortable, make you think, fukk with your emotions and mirror the complexity of real life. Yeah, we all love Richard Harrow and wanted him to have a happy ending. But I would have been pissed if they took that p*ssy way out. Harrow has been a tragic character from the beginning. Tragedy was the only way he could go out. Same with Chalky's daughter dying. I'd have been pissed if they had a tidy finale where the bad guy gets clapped and the guy we root for gets the W. They kind of did that last year with Rosetti (even though that finale had repercussions that echoed through this entire season). The fact is, they're all bad guys and when bad guys beef the innocent tend to be the ones that suffer. That's some real shyt. And that's why I've got to move this show ahead of Breaking Bad. People love Breaking Bad because it's entertaining and they always get what they want from that show. It doesn't make you think, it just keeps you at the edge of your seat with anticipation. But if you think about it the show followed the same formula every time: Walt wins. Even in death Walt tied up all of his loose ends, killed the bad guys and went out on his terms with a smile on his face. He never broke bad, he went out as a sympathetic character in the minds of the general public. I said it in the BB thread but I wanted so bad for Gilligan to take a risk for once with the finale. Challenge people. It never happened.
 

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I only compare this show to Breaking Bad because I never really see a show entering my top 3 of The Wire, The Sopranos and Mad Men (Maybe Game of Thrones might have a chance one day). That said, with this season I really have to put BE over Breaking Bad. Nucky tends to be the magnet for criticism when it comes to this show, but I look at it differently. I'd much rather have a show like BE where I have a cast full of stellar actors and compelling characters than Breaking Bad where, if we're being honest, Walter White was the only character worth a damn.

Nope. No way.. And I respect you @obarth as one of this best posters in this forum, but the bolded isn't even fucking close. Jesse? Saul? Hank?
 

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Harrow my nikka i hate it had to be him. :to:

That quick scope had chalky at the table like
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Hoover asked about the day he entered the US, that was all he needed right there since he was not a citizen and Hoover used that tactic on people who he said were commies, he used that on ll he his enemies, he used that say card on the lady who set up John Dillanger, he promised her that she could continue working as a brothel owner in the US if she helped out, she did and he still had her deported. The Dr got targeted for the shooting because Hoover is not stupid like Knox was, he knew who he was from the start, the boss always gets the charge, remember when Knox was asking for all that extra help to take down the meeting that Eli set up? Hoover told Knox to call director Hoover and not his first name because he knew that Knox was jealous and reckless and that the meeting was a bust from the start. Remember Nucky getting picked up and told about Knox being killed, he was surprised and then he got let go and you see Eli in Chi-town, Nucky had already cut a deal with Hoover, probably getting the charges dropped on Will and Chalky and exiling Eli for being disloyal again.


Notice that Hoover did not threaten Narcisse with prison. He threatened to send him back to Trinidad so he would never see "babylon" again....and your man folded.
 

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One of the best single Season's I've ever watched

:wow:

And although... some of the characters I was pulling for caught ultimate Ls, I have to respect the writers for hitting their stride with this season. It was damn near perfection from all aspects of cinema. The dialog, the action, the morality, the cinematography, the character development, the acting the whole season was just that damn good at everything.
 

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I only compare this show to Breaking Bad because I never really see a show entering my top 3 of The Wire, The Sopranos and Mad Men (Maybe Game of Thrones might have a chance one day). That said, with this season I really have to put BE over Breaking Bad. Nucky tends to be the magnet for criticism when it comes to this show, but I look at it differently. I'd much rather have a show like BE where I have a cast full of stellar actors and compelling characters than Breaking Bad where, if we're being honest, Walter White was the only character worth a damn. Gus was a compelling character but he wasn't there for the full run of the show. Jesse is probably the most overrated supporting character of all time and I'm still baffled as to how he won that Emmy. Saul, Hank and Mike were cool characters but if we're being honest they're not nearly on the level of a Chalky, Harrow, Rothstein, Capone, Van Alden or Lansky. That's why it's shortsighted to obsess over the main character(calling Nucky the main character of BE is very flawed thinking but that's another completely different argument). Is Walter White a better character than Nucky Thompson? Of course. Does that make up for the fact that I can list atleast 10 amazing characters on Boardwalk Empire and only two from Breaking Bad? No. Having an ensemble cast this strong can't be brushed away because people obsess over having a main character to root for.

But what I really give this show props for is being willing to challenge its viewers instead of merely settling for being entertaining and giving the viewer what they want. That's why I have the top 3 that I have: they're willing to make you uncomfortable, make you think, fukk with your emotions and mirror the complexity of real life. Yeah, we all love Richard Harrow and wanted him to have a happy ending. But I would have been pissed if they took that p*ssy way out. Harrow has been a tragic character from the beginning. Tragedy was the only way he could go out. Same with Chalky's daughter dying. I'd have been pissed if they had a tidy finale where the bad guy gets clapped and the guy we root for gets the W. They kind of did that last year with Rosetti (even though that finale had repercussions that echoed through this entire season). The fact is, they're all bad guys and when bad guys beef the innocent tend to be the ones that suffer. That's some real shyt. And that's why I've got to move this show ahead of Breaking Bad. People love Breaking Bad because it's entertaining and they always get what they want from that show. It doesn't make you think, it just keeps you at the edge of your seat with anticipation. But if you think about it the show followed the same formula every time: Walt wins. Even in death Walt tied up all of his loose ends, killed the bad guys and went out on his terms with a smile on his face. He never broke bad, he went out as a sympathetic character in the minds of the general public. I said it in the BB thread but I wanted so bad for Gilligan to take a risk for once with the finale. Challenge people. It never happened.
You my man but there is no way in hell is this show touching Breaking Bad, BB laps this show several times.
 

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:salute:Gotta salute Harrow da gawd:bustback: everything has already been said about this episode but one thing has been bothering me since Harrow was introduced...why did they never explain what happened to his face? I know in one episode (i believe it was last season) when asked all he said was, I stuck my head where it didn't belong (or something to that effect). They ended last season great with the brothel shootout (Harrow had the invincibility cheat on:childplease: walking through there, reloading like :ufdup: :bustback:). Great season finale
 

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I think harrow took a grenade to the face. Or more logical, since he was a sniper, another sniper probably aimed for his good eye. Blam!!!!!!!!
 
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