BLASIAN KOBE JALEN GREEN IS THE FUTURE OF BASKETBALL

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What's your honest projection for Jalen? I think you have a good eye for talent when you're not agenda posting. His shooting ability makes me think he has a really high ceiling.

My "agenda posting" is only posting the truth, brotha.

I said before the draft he has the highest scoring potential in the class, which was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. But it seems a lot of love he receives is due to how aesthetically pleasing his game is (besides the Rockets fans, look at the type of posters in here gassing him), and not necessarily how effective/impactful he is.

I mean it's easy to hype a player with his scoring ability and athleticism; it's like giving a toddler a shiny new toy. It's another thing altogether to look past the flash and see what lies beneath the surface.

I see him as I do Jordan Poole - great skillsets and ability to get to whatever spot they want, but not players who you want being the anchor of an offense due to their BBIQ and shot selection. In this climate, particularly as a guard, you have to pretty much be an equal scorer/playmaker, which I don't think Jalen will ever be.

 

[IIVI]

My "agenda posting" is only posting the truth, brotha.

I said before the draft he has the highest scoring potential in the class, which was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. But it seems a lot of love he receives is due to how aesthetically pleasing his game is (besides the Rockets fans, look at the type of posters in here gassing him), and not necessarily how effective/impactful he is.

I mean it's easy to hype a player with his scoring ability and athleticism; it's like giving a toddler a shiny new toy. It's another thing altogether to look past the flash and see what lies beneath the surface.

I see him as I do Jordan Poole - great skillsets and ability to get to whatever spot they want, but not players who you want being the anchor of an offense due to their BBIQ and shot selection. In this climate, particularly as a guard, you have to pretty much be an equal scorer/playmaker, which I don't think Jalen will ever be.

I actually think the meta is heading to the direction of the more more enormous ~6'10+ playmakers (Paolo, Jokic, Sengun, Giannis) in the league, as well as more jumbo playmakers through the draft: Wemby, Chet, Baba Miller, Cooper Flagg, Carlos Boozer's kid, Aday Mara, G.G Jackson, etc.

All these incoming (and current) big players can playmake better than some of these guards currently in the league. I mean by 2024 that's already a third of the league potentially.

Guards and wings are going to need to be more adept at off-ball catch-and-shoot while you let these jumbo playmakers go to work imo.

I think guards who can get a goto score or shoot off-ball to complement this kind of play style is the future and actually sooner than later:

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I actually think the meta is heading to the direction of the more more enormous ~6'10+ playmakers (Paolo, Jokic, Sengun, Giannis) in the league, as well as more jumbo playmakers through the draft: Wemby, Baba Miller, Cooper Flagg, Carlos Boozer's kid, Aday Mara, etc.

All these incoming big players can playmake better than some of these guards currently in the league.

Guards and wings are going to need to be more adept at off-ball catch-and-shoot while you let these jumbo playmakers go to work.

I think guards who can get a goto score or shoot off-ball to complement this kind of play style is the future:

Being a playmaker at 6'10" doesn't mean you have the grip to initiate the offense on the regular. You still need a primary ball-handler who can break the defense down in any situation, and as it now stands, guard-size players are still the best at that. All you're basically stating with this post is, players are becoming more versatile than ever. This is why you need to be able to score and make plays in equal measure, and that is especially important as a guard.

Someone like Sengun, for instance, is never going to be able to anchor an offense in that manner.

 

[IIVI]

Being a playmaker at 6'10" doesn't mean you have the grip to initiate the offense on the regular. You still need a primary ball-handler who can break the defense down in any situation, and as it now stands, guard-size players are still the best at that. All you're basically stating with this post is, players are becoming more versatile than ever. This is why you need to be able to score and make plays in equal measure, and that is especially important as a guard.

Someone like Sengun, for instance, is never going to be able to anchor an offense in that manner.

Being 6'10 by itself definitely doesn't mean you're good enough to do it. However, this new wave of big players are and they're being coached up to do it. All around the world 6'8-6'10 players are bringing the ball up now with advanced handles and calling the game flow like floor generals. That's just BBIQ and not anything to do with size.

shyt, Australia's program keep pumping these cats out by themselves (Ben, Giddey, Dyson, etc.)

Taller players at the end of the day can see the floor better than smaller players and they can body smaller players on the way to doing that. That's why I think Banchero is going to do so much damage: 6'11 250 lbs. with a handle/bag like that who's always scanning the floor for a pass is a tough guard for anybody under 6'9.

You're still going to need smaller players because taller players can't check quicker perimeter guards reliably on the perimeter so it's a game of balance. Somebody like Kyrie is almost always going to destroy a big player iso'd on the outside.

That said, ideally you wouldn't want any one player to dominate the ball: playmaking by group/motion offense is ideal anyway and that can be coached up via scheme and a system designed to give players the correct reads. There's nothing to me that indicates this group of Houston players aren't capable of that.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Being 6'10 by itself definitely doesn't mean you're good enough to do it. However this new wave of players are and they're being coached up to do it. All around the world 6'8-6'10 players are bringing the ball up now with advanced handles. shyt, Australia keep pumping these cats out by themselves

Taller players at the end of the day can see the floor better than smaller players and they can body smaller players on the way to doing that.

You're still going to need smaller players because taller players can't check quicker perimeter guards like that so it's a game of balance.

That said, ideally you wouldn't want any one player to dominate the ball: playmaking by group/motion offense is ideal anyway and that can be coached up via scheme and a system designed to give players the correct reads. There's nothing to me that indicates this group of Houston players aren't capable of that.

Again, you're speaking about versatility, which has been apparent for years now with the direction the league has been heading in -- a postionless state.

It's something I've been emphasizing on this board dating back to 2012 (and even before), when folks were getting caught up in archaic roles and playing to the specific position they were listed at. This is why it's important if you're a guard to not just be a scorer, and not just be a playmaker, but to do both. And I don't think Jalen will ever be that, which despite his scoring ability, is gonna put a cap on his ceiling because he won't be able to anchor an offense like that. You're advertently saying that he isn't going to reach the altitude where superstars exist, all because he's going to take a backseat to these bigs by primarily being a "off-ball, catch and shoot" player.

This is why you have big men trying to expand their games, because the days of just existing on the court solely due to size are becoming obsolete.

 

[who_better_than_me]

 

[Tha_Mac]

That's it.

You keep layering that MJ and Kobe projection for him. Don't you worry, I'll be here for it.

You won't give him any credit no matter what he does unless he's the second coming of Steph, MJ or Kobe when in reality if he avg's an efficient 25+ for his career with good defense and in the postseason every year once the squad is right you'll still think he's a failure.

You won't even say he had a good game last night when he had 33 on 13-21 fg's and 4-5 from three with no ref baiting while having a primary ballhandler that gives off vibes.

So I don't expect nothing but harsh criticism or straight up hating from you.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You won't give him any credit no matter what he does unless he's the second coming of Steph, MJ or Kobe when in reality if he avg's an efficient 25+ for his career with good defense and in the postseason every year once the squad is right you'll still think he's a failure.

You won't even say he had a good game last night when he had 33 on 13-21 fg's and 4-5 from three with no ref baiting while having a primary ballhandler that gives off vibes.

So I don't expect nothing but harsh criticism or straight up hating from you.

You mean the exact thing that folks are projecting him to be in here? Do you think my responses would be different if folks never said he's the next MJ/Kobe?



Why does my credit mean so much to you? You having flashbacks of what happened during the Harden days?

 

[who_better_than_me]

My "agenda posting" is only posting the truth, brotha.

I said before the draft he has the highest scoring potential in the class, which was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. But it seems a lot of love he receives is due to how aesthetically pleasing his game is (besides the Rockets fans, look at the type of posters in here gassing him), and not necessarily how effective/impactful he is.

I mean it's easy to hype a player with his scoring ability and athleticism; it's like giving a toddler a shiny new toy. It's another thing altogether to look past the flash and see what lies beneath the surface.

I see him as I do Jordan Poole - great skillsets and ability to get to whatever spot they want, but not players who you want being the anchor of an offense due to their BBIQ and shot selection. In this climate, particularly as a guard, you have to pretty much be an equal scorer/playmaker, which I don't think Jalen will ever be.

But you haven’t even seen Jalen as playmaker to make that type of statement that he’s just a bucket. And this offense doesn’t seem to be the type that really allows for playmaking because there doesn’t seem to be a strategy/scheme implemented by the coach. Silas ain’t really Coaching shyt out there. That’s eveident by the fact that Houston whose long been the most egregious 3 pt shooting team in the league of the last decade is last in attempts in the easiest and most desirable 3 pt spot on the floor in the corner 3. Houston is dead last on the league in corner 3 attempts which makes no sense for a team that typically top 5-10 in three point attempts.

 

[who_better_than_me]

You mean the exact thing that folks are projecting him to be in here? Do you think my responses would be different if folks never said he's the next MJ/Kobe?



Why does my credit mean so much to you? You having flashbacks of what happened during the Harden days?

What you being wrong?

 

[CantStop]

My "agenda posting" is only posting the truth, brotha.

I said before the draft he has the highest scoring potential in the class, which was pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. But it seems a lot of love he receives is due to how aesthetically pleasing his game is (besides the Rockets fans, look at the type of posters in here gassing him), and not necessarily how effective/impactful he is.

I mean it's easy to hype a player with his scoring ability and athleticism; it's like giving a toddler a shiny new toy. It's another thing altogether to look past the flash and see what lies beneath the surface.

I see him as I do Jordan Poole - great skillsets and ability to get to whatever spot they want, but not players who you want being the anchor of an offense due to their BBIQ and shot selection. In this climate, particularly as a guard, you have to pretty much be an equal scorer/playmaker, which I don't think Jalen will ever be.

Bruh just compared Jalen Green to Jordan Poole LMAOOOO



Mind you, Gil would have said the same thing about Booker, Derozan and any other SG who played on shytty teams. Also, Jalen has already vastly improved as a playmaker in a short time span.

Saying Jalen will never be a solid playmaker is 100% proof you don't watch games. Go watch the Hawks game and see how many great passes he had to bum ass Bruno Fernando who couldn't even catch the ball. He needs to play more with Sengun, he's in a bad position right now and to be honest that's not being asked of him.

 

[Tha_Mac]

You mean the exact thing that folks are projecting him to be in here? Do you think my responses would be different if folks never said he's the next MK/Kobe?



Why does my credit mean so much to you? You having flashbacks of what happened during the Harden days?

It doesn't but you was in here hating about his good preseason, talking shyt about opening night then not praising for a great second game. Don't worry Green ain't finished he'll have you eating more words this season. As a matter of fact game time is in about 20-25 min.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What you being wrong?

I buried y'all Rockets fans alive, then dug y'all back up and buried y'all again, 100x over. It was only fitting every postseason under Harden's watch ended in complete embarrassment.

It doesn't but you was in here hating about his good preseason, talking shyt about opening night then not praising for a great second game. Don't worry Green ain't finished he'll have you eating more words this season. As a matter of fact game time is in about 20-25 min.

Was I hating, or was I simply trying to put it into context it was just preseason? Why should I need to praise him if he's the next MJ/Kobe? Shouldn't he be playing like that every game?

I never set the expectations. I'll be around to see if he meets them though.

 

[HTXBreh]

Being a playmaker at 6'10" doesn't mean you have the grip to initiate the offense on the regular. You still need a primary ball-handler who can break the defense down in any situation, and as it now stands, guard-size players are still the best at that. All you're basically stating with this post is, players are becoming more versatile than ever. This is why you need to be able to score and make plays in equal measure, and that is especially important as a guard.

Someone like Sengun, for instance, is never going to be able to anchor an offense in that manner.

I just want to point out Green is 20.He hasnt signed a extension yet its his 2nd yr.You talk about b-ball IQ he forces nothing if a lane usnt there he passes if he's being doubled he's not taking the shot.He gets to the rim at will and is a willing passer.If his teammates hit shots he's averaging 6-10 assist a game.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bruh just compared Jalen Green to Jordan Poole LMAOOOO



Mind you, Gil would have said the same thing about Booker, Derozan and any other SG who played on shytty teams. Also, Jalen has already vastly improved as a playmaker in a short time span.

And please tell me, are Booker and DeRozan superstar players? There's levels to this.



Mind you, you're easily swayed by flash and these 'mid-range' types because it gives you a feeling of home. You're like the less-retarded, but still retarded version of Swag, desperately trying to find some resemblance of #8/#24 in any young player, that you're willing to die for, over and over again, even if it means you're only right once out of 100 times.

Saying Jalen will never be a solid playmaker is 100% proof you don't watch games. Go watch the Hawks game and see how many great passes he had to bum ass Bruno Fernando who couldn't even catch the ball. He needs to play more with Sengun, he's in a bad position right now and to be honest that's not being asked of him.

Where did I specifically say he'll never be a "solid playmaker"?

I'm talking about the level y'all believe he's going to reach in the league, and I doubt his playmaking will be that to reach that level.