BLASIAN KOBE JALEN GREEN IS THE FUTURE OF BASKETBALL

[IIVI]

Again, you're speaking about versatility, which has been apparent for years now with the direction the league has been heading in -- a postionless state.

It's something I've been emphasizing on this board dating back to 2012 (and even before), when folks were getting caught up in archaic roles and playing to the specific position they were listed at. This is why it's important if you're a guard to not just be a scorer, and not just be a playmaker, but to do both. And I don't think Jalen will ever be that, which despite his scoring ability, is gonna put a cap on his ceiling because he won't be able to anchor an offense like that. You're advertently saying that he isn't going to reach the altitude where superstars exist, all because he's going to take a backseat to these bigs by primarily being a "off-ball, catch and shoot" player.

This is why you have big men trying to expand their games, because the days of just existing on the court solely due to size are becoming obsolete.

I actually think "anchoring an offense" is a little more flexible in definition though.

You can be a complete "score-only player" if your supporting case is built around it and it's effective just like you can if your team is built around you orchestrating the offense as a scorer/playmaker. If you can get "baskets at will", you're anchoring an offense. It doesn't matter if you're setting up other players or not if you're getting points one way or another. The fashion you/your team get points or stops the other team from getting points is unimportant. In this case the fashion you do it ain't as important as actually doing it: no different from aesthetics.

The way I see it if your score-only player is getting their's efficiently on and off-ball then they're "anchoring an offense" as well as a ball-dominant heliocentric player who is getting baskets/assists. If you're off-ball and zigging/zagging everywhere, finding the soft spots you're absolutely being a menace to a defense and opening everyone else's games up: that's very unselfish in and of itself. Diming it to somebody after they've made good off-ball decisions is practically two-sides to the same coin.

 

[HTXBreh]

So is Ja Morant anchoring his offense if so they play great eithout him.If he is what is Jslen doing different than Ja since this guy says he's so objective when watching great gaurds.

 

[CantStop]

And please tell me, are Booker and DeRozan superstar players? There's levels to this.



Mind you, you're easily swayed by flash and these 'mid-range' types because it gives you a feeling of home. You're like the less-retarded, but still retarded version of Swag, desperately trying to find some resemblance of #8/#24 in any young player, that you're willing to die for, over and over again, even if it means you're only right once out of 100 times.

Where did I specifically say he'll never be a "solid playmaker"?

I'm talking about the level y'all believe he's going to reach in the league, and I doubt his playmaking will be that to reach that level.

Mind you, Steph at this age was in college playing against bums. yet you're already projecting who Jalen is going to be years from now 2 games into his second season at 20 years old. if you want to see why projecting who he's going to be is bad, go look at the discourse less than a year ago about him. people were calling him a bust and now he's one of the most electric scorers in the game.

and yea i fukk with him because he's bringing that feeling back and I won't ever deny that

 

[WMG the 2nd]

Gil negging me for agreeing with him

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I actually think "anchoring an offense" is a little more flexible in definition though.

You can be a complete "score-only player" if your supporting case is built around it. If you can get "baskets at will", you're anchoring an offense. It doesn't matter if you're setting up other players or not if you're getting points one way or another. The fashion you/your team get points or stop the other team from getting points is unimportant.

The way I see it if your score-only player is getting their's efficiently on and off-ball then they're "anchoring an offense" as well as a ball-dominant heliocentric player who is getting baskets/assists.

A player that can do both is always going to be better, and I don't think Jalen has that ability.

And you don't need to be ball-dominant to do both (in fact, it's preferable if you're not; Steph has proven this), you just need to adapt to every and any situation that is required of you, and that requires being proficient in both areas. One feeds the other; if teams only play you as a scorer, that is only going to limit your effectiveness.

And my mans, I know you're a 2022 poster, but please, I've addressed, debated and debunked all this shyt years ago. You're not bringing anything new to the table that I haven't already ran through.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

yet you're already projecting who Jalen is going to be years from now 2 games into his second season at 20 years old.

You mean arguing against the projection of him becoming the next MJ/Kobe?



If folks argued that his projection/ceiling is a souped-up version of Booker, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

 

[IIVI]

A player that can do both is always going to be better, and I don't think Jalen has that ability.

And you don't need to be ball-dominant to do both (in fact, it's preferable if you're not; Steph has proven this), you just need to be adapt to every and any situation that is required of you, and that requires being proficient in both areas. One feeds the other; if teams only play you as a scorer, that is only going to limit your effectiveness.

And my mans, I know you're a 2022 poster, but please, I've addressed, debated and debunked all this shyt years ago. You're not bringing anything new to the table that I haven't already ran through.

Sorry breh, I don't know you like that. Just talking basketball respectfully.

That said, still: a system catered to making reads goes directly into good playmaking as a group/unit. A big part of Steph's playmaking comes from the Warrior's system stressing off-ball movement, good cutting, weapons and players knowing where each other will be. It's very much a team thing as it is a Steph thing.

I don't think there are many better playmakers than Steph, but many of them are not as effective because they can't shoot the same way and play off-ball the same. Warriors system capitalizes on that big. Steph does it very well (playmaking), but it's enhanced by a terrific world-class motion system, his shooting and teammates like Green also setting things up.

Sky's the limit if they can get a team/system that works with what Green brings, just like for anybody else.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Clearly plays more like Vince and Ray I don’t know how you keep saying Kobe besides trying to make a meme out of a dead man for controversy purposes

He has the mamba mentality and handles which Vince Carter and Ray Allen did not.

Plus Vince Carter play style was kinda ugly besides the dunks and occasional 360 layup .

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I think there are many better playmakers than Steph, but they're not as effective because they can't shoot the same way and play off-ball the same.

Steph is one of the best playmakers in the league, in fact, he's close to the best.

And it's less about his shooting ability which makes him that, and more the fact of how basketball-benevolent he is, along with his BBIQ. The group feeds off that because they mirror his play-style. If he had the same shooting ability, but had the mentality of Jamal Crawford, the Warriors wouldn't exist as they are. That's why despite KD's talent level, he's never been able to truly lead a team in the same capacity. It's why someone like Wiggins can go into that system and play that brand of hoops, despite barely showing any of these qualities before stepping foot in GS.

That is all Steph.

The stressing of off-ball movement, cutting/diving, and passing up a good shot for a great one is because of how Steph plays.

 

[IIVI]

Steph is one of the best playmakers in the league, in fact, he's close to the best.

And it's less about his shooting ability which makes him that, and more the fact of how basketball-benevolent he is, along with his BBIQ. The group feeds off that because they mirror his play-style. If he had the same shooting ability, but had the mentality of Jamal Crawford, the Warriors wouldn't exist as they are. That's why despite KD's talent level, he's never been able to truly lead a team in the same capacity. It's why someone like Wiggins can go into that system and play that brand of hoops, despite barely showing any of these qualities before stepping foot in GS.

That is all Steph.

The stressing of off-ball movement, cutting/diving, and passing up a good shot for a great one is because of how Steph plays.

For the record edited my comment you quoted. Steph definitely one of the best playmakers in the league, not trying to discredit.

I don't think there are many better playmakers than Steph, but many of them are not as effective because they can't shoot the same way and play off-ball the same. Warriors system capitalizes on that big.

I still think nonetheless the Warriors system (and personnel) has a lot to do with it as well though. I guess we can agree to disagree here. They're both technically two sides to the same coin.

 

[IIVI]

Just went nuclear on these dudes with 3 straight from distance


Trying to bring these guys back but back-to-back everyone is gassed after that game last night.

 

[who_better_than_me]

 

[Flight]

Me and my brother @I AM WARHOL been waiting almost ten years for the next one…

He’s finally here..

 

[who_better_than_me]

Yeah at this point this is part of the process. Green doin his thing but the team defense is jsut low iq. Dudes don’t know how to help or rotate

 

[I AM WARHOL]

He was on a heater for a second but I honestly haven’t liked how he’s played tonight