Black people should at least consider voting republican

[DEAD7]

They have internalized the racist Republican talking points that we are too stupid to think through issues. And if we only had wherewithal to reason, we would consider voting Republicans. They don't even give black people the credit of thinking thorough policies and come to a reasonable decision.

No, we would vote to weaken the state, and get on board with Boyce Watkins.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/excl...esurrecting-black-wall-street-trailer.306903/

All we need is each other...

 

[Robbie3000]

None of those have provided meaningful progress, and most of them didnt benefit blacks despite rhetoric to the contrary. Whats they've done is anesthetized blacks, and made are oppression less painful.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say that progressive policies under our current system(white supremacy) necessarily strengthens the position of our oppressors, and should be opposed by all minorities.


Why should you vote Republican? You should vote to limit the apparatus oppressing you regardless of which side it is. Right now its the flimsy libertarian movement.

Stop. Social Security and Medicare are programs that have greatly benefited the elderly. Both black and white. The rate of senior poverty levels before and after social security is day and night.

The nation’s poverty crisis would be a lot worse if it wasn’t for safety net programs -- particularly Social Security, a new analysis finds.

If Social Security didn’t exist, about 25 million more Americans would be in poverty, according to an analysis of 2011 Census data from the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning think tank. That would push one measure of the poverty rate up from 16.1 percent to 24.4 percent, as the chart below illustrates.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/social-security-poverty_n_3682625.html

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

@DEAD7 people in here are vehemently against the GOP not because their ethnicity and those using that as the main justification is because the GOP's policies are opposed diametrically to their ethnicity inherently..its self explanatory. Its not that they are glossing over the issues.

IMO, it makes sense for the nation to continue to lean D at least until the wealth gap is reduced..in which case lower taxes will make more sense. If the D's eventually pivot when the time is right to lower spending and taxes, then the D's will continue to win. Im talking at least 8-12 years on the national level before the R's have a chance. R's standing for less gov't is complete horseshyt because they will NEVER follow through on that. Its just one of their last bastions of legitimate policy stances. The gov't is going to increase regardless and so are progressive social ideals and the R's will never be able to counter that unless the D's make everyone wealthy...which, in turn, is never going to happen. The R's are fukked and have only lasted in Congress and local levels due to gerrymandering and small towns or a few states in which there is a lot of likemindedness. They have ineffectively evolved to fit the diaspora and melting pot that they claim makes America so great. Their best hope is to stop excluding libertarian beliefs in order to pander to voters theyd never lose in the first place. The values they trumpet and demonize D's and Libertarians over are values of straight line R voters that'd die before they vote Dem and they are alienating moderates/independents/new voters who may otherwise vote R by holding dear to antiquated social stances that ultimately make them look retarded.

 

[theworldismine13]

Educate me how does the Republican party proposes to fix "problems with the social safety net"

im not a republican, what im saying is that a lot of the social safety net doesnt work and that our goal as black people is to increase our economic and political power first, that is higher priority than a social safety net

that being I said we should split our vote between different parties and combine ideas from both parties, im not endorsing any party

 

[theworldismine13]

Most black people aren't on food stamps/section 8/in public housing, similarly many black people are where they are on their own merit with no help from AA. Its no wonder you champion the GOP, you gladly espouse their hyperbolic propaganda of universal black inferiority. Most black people are employed and in the middle class like the rest of America, why paint all of us by our worst?

i never said most black people are, i said that those programs are the reasons why you guys are suggesting black people have to vote democratic

@Robbie3000
just said it right now, in so many words he said the reason why black people need to vote democrat is to protect the social safety net, im not putting words in anybody's mouth

and what im suggesting is that that mentality and logic is an intellectual and economic dead end for black people

 

[DEAD7]

Stop. Social Security and Medicare are programs that have greatly benefited the elderly. Both black and white. The rate of senior poverty levels before and after social security is day and night.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/social-security-poverty_n_3682625.html

nevermind breh.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

its closing in on that time for posters to start to campaign for nominations in the first annual Coli Presidential Election

 

[ghostwriterx]

Why should you vote Republican? You should vote to limit the apparatus oppressing you regardless of which side it is. Right now its the flimsy libertarian movement.

There is no real libertarian movement at a national level. Rand Paul isn't it. Gary Johnson sounds reasonable, but he doesn't have a realistic shot at pres. No matter how you slice it the people capable of actually winning at a national level are beholden to that apparatus and they don't dare try to dismantle it, esp on the right.

 

[DEAD7]

There is no real libertarian movement at a national level. Rand Paul isn't it. Gary Johnson sounds reasonable, but he doesn't have a realistic shot at pres. No matter how you slice it the people capable of actually winning at a national level are beholden to that apparatus and they don't dare try to dismantle it, esp on the right.

Fair enough, but to deny Rand is(viably) the closest thing to it, is to be completely dishonest.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

There is no real libertarian movement at a national level. Rand Paul isn't it. Gary Johnson sounds reasonable, but he doesn't have a realistic shot at pres. No matter how you slice it the people capable of actually winning at a national level are beholden to that apparatus and they don't dare try to dismantle it, esp on the right.

The Libertarian Party drives me insane..they are so poorly run that it makes me think they arent even serious. Gary Johnson was a decent-good candidate but they are spending WAY too much of their limited funds in the wrong places. They are hustling backwards. Instead of wasting money on their Prez candidates they need to devote damn near all their money into young candidates on super local levels that are toss-ups so they can build equity around the nation in communities and in their candidates for winning elections at early ages and (hopefully) being successful. Then, maybe 15-20 years down the road they could become somewhat viable in congressional races in weak districts and continue to move up. They are trying to trickle down their ideology from the top instead of growing it from the bottom and they are complete imbeciles for it. Having been involved in some campaigns/elections myself (albeit not with the Libertarian party), you may (or may not) be surprised to hear that campaign managers and local party chairmen are even dumber than you can even imagine. Im pretty sure @Piff Perkins has also been involved in some campaigns and he can probably vouch for me on that. Its not just the candidates that are oftentimes stupid..but the people pulling their strings and trying to guide political parties on the local level are dumber than they are.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Fair enough, but to deny Rand is(viably) the closest thing to it, is to be completely dishonest.

Eh, I'll believe when I see it and hopefully I don't.
I saw what happened when McCain had to run back to the base to be "viable", almost ended up with a retarded chick a seat away from the presidency.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

i never said most black people are, i said that those programs are the reasons why you guys are suggesting black people have to vote democratic

You're still wrong, I explicitly explained why black people are distrusting of Republicans already

Not to mention Republicans have yet to make good on any of their promises of personal liberty or fiscal responsibility. The godfather of the modern Republican party was the first president in a long time to utilize deficit spending to boost the economy, as well as one of the founding fathers of the modern PIC and perpetuator of our counterproductive meddlings in the ME. He also built much of the power of his image on the back of the racist meme the welfare queen. Bush II signed the Patriot Act into law and was at the helm of the country while the conditions that sparked the great recession festered and reached critical mass. He also put a couple trilly on the country credit card. You think people haven't considered these things? What you call "intellectual freedom" is self-serving fatalism- only an idiot could arrive at conclusions that don't jive with your narrative. WEAK

 

[Robbie3000]

im not a republican, what im saying is that a lot of the social safety net doesnt work and that our goal as black people is to increase our economic and political power first, that is higher priority than a social safety net

that being I said we should split our vote between different parties and combine ideas from both parties, im not endorsing any party

You keep saying this without giving any reason why black people should give the Republican party our votes. Why should black people jettison their ideals to vote for the opposing party?
Unless you are arguing black people are mindless drones who have been brainwashed by Dems and do not vote out of principle or other thought out reason.

I don't think you would insult any other group with such a suggestion.

 

[theworldismine13]

You're still wrong, I explicitly explained why black people are distrusting of Republicans already

Not to mention Republicans have yet to make good on any of their promises of personal liberty or fiscal responsibility. The godfather of the modern Republican party was the first president in a long time to utilize deficit spending to boost the economy, as well as one of the founding fathers of the modern PIC and perpetuator of our counterproductive meddlings in the ME. He also built much of the power of his image on the back of the racist meme the welfare queen. Bush II signed the Patriot Act into law and was at the helm of the country while the conditions that sparked the great recession festered and reached critical mass. He also put a couple trilly on the country credit card. You think people haven't considered these things? What you call "intellectual freedom" is self-serving fatalism- only an idiot could arrive at conclusions that don't jive with your narrative. WEAK

i dont know why you like to avoid reality, it was @Robbie3000 that made long winded eloquent posts saying that black people need to vote democratic because of the social safety net, why are you getting mad at me for pointing out an argument that you guys are making?

im not wrong for pointing it out, its right here in this thread page

second of all im not pro reagan or pro bush, what i said is that black people should split our votes

and i think its totally understandable why black people vote democratic and im not sure why you think i need a history lesson about that, my point is that its time to move on from that strategy. instead of asking who hates us the least we need to ask the question what do we need to do to be a dominating force in american politics and im saying its more powerful to station ourselves as the swing vote then it is to be seen is the base of the democratic party

 

[Liu Kang]

I think this is an interesting discussion here, lemme feature that if you guys don't mind.