Black Mirror (Season 5) June 5, 2019

[tru_m.a.c]

That's just it...the game didn't just simulate pain, it simulated EVERYTHING (otherwise they wouldn't feel any pleasure from the sex). So a heterosexual male and female play fighting leading to a sexual encounter is pretty normal. If the game is simulating those hormones popping off, it all makes sense.

My nikka it what world does this make sense?

Sparring partners of the opposite sex don't fukk on the spot because they rolled on the floor a few times. That's quite literally sexual assault. Rewatch the episode bro. There is no sexual tension. There is no bromance. Quite literally in the middle of beating the shyt out of each other they tumble to the floor and start kissing. How Why sway?

I'm not dissing you fam. I'm just saying you're making excuses for shyt that doesn't even make sense in the real world because you like the show. This scenario in the real world only happens because 2 people are fake play fighting. Emphasis on fake. We all know fake play fighting and massages are the go-to moves in college.

My gripe is that it should've been Dany who initiated the kiss since he's a heterosexual male lost in a VR world looking at a female. He'd be reacting naturally to hormones he had experienced his whole life. Having Karl do it requires him have those simulated hormones overcome a lifetime of operation (i.e. he's never looked at a male and felt horny before). Unless Karl was secretly gay, his descent into fakkitry was a bit too easy and forced.

Again this doesn't make sense. Instead of shedding light on sexual preferences the show actually makes the argument that adults are 1 step away from fukkn everyone of the opposite sex every moment of every day. There is no reason for his hormones to be raised because he's in a video game. If that's the case then the video game is not simulating life, therefore it's not virtual REALITY.

This episode is so fukkn lazy that I've now upgraded it to outright stupid. Why would Karl fukk a polar bear to validate whether he liked getting fukked by a man?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

My nikka it what world does this make sense?

Sparring partners of the opposite sex don't fukk on the spot because they rolled on the floor a few times. That's quite literally sexual assault. Rewatch the episode bro. There is no sexual tension. There is no bromance. Quite literally in the middle of beating the shyt out of each other they tumble to the floor and start kissing. How Why sway?

I'm not dissing you fam. I'm just saying you're making excuses for shyt that doesn't even make sense in the real world because you like the show. This scenario in the real world only happens because 2 people are fake play fighting. Emphasis on fake. We all know fake play fighting and massages are the go-to moves in college.



Again this doesn't make sense. Instead of shedding light on sexual preferences the show actually makes the argument that adults are 1 step away from fukkn everyone of the opposite sex every moment of every day. There is no reason for his hormones to be raised because he's in a video game. If that's the case then the video game is not simulating life, therefore it's not virtual REALITY.

This episode is so fukkn lazy that I've now upgraded it to outright stupid. Why would Karl fukk a polar bear to validate whether he liked getting fukked by a man?

They weren't just sparring partners, they clearly shared a deeper bond...again, it was an extension of a "bromance" with VR redefining the boundaries. You claim it makes no sense, yet this exact scenario (play fighting between platonic friends leading to a kiss or more) plays out all the time in the movies/TV...I just watched it depicted on Season 2 of She's Gotta Have It. This was fake fighting too, you really think these two hated each other? Karl was literally laughing as he beat Dany's rusty ass. They weren't fighting to the death or out of hate for each other. Of course it was always fake fighting. A friendly competition.

It doesn't make it seem like adults are always 1 step from fukking everyone, that's why Karl's attempts at engaging other players (simulated and with human controllers) failed. You're ignoring that for some reason. The polar bear was over the top, for sure, but it ain't that deep.

There is no reason for his hormones to be raised because he's in a video game. If that's the case then the video game is not simulating life, therefore it's not virtual REALITY.

And to address this specifically, the reason for his hormones to be raised is cuz his avatar finds the other avatar attractive. Just like his avatar getting punched makes his chest hurt.

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

San Junipero ruined this fukking show because every season is trying to copy cat that episode ever since

 

[AnotherRoute]

This show needs to go back to just the British.

 

[Lootpack]

San Junipero ruined this fukking show because every season is trying to copy cat that episode ever since

God I fukking hate that episode.

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

They weren't just sparring partners, they clearly shared a deeper bond...again, it was an extension of a "bromance" with VR redefining the boundaries. You claim it makes no sense, yet this exact scenario (play fighting between platonic friends leading to a kiss or more) plays out all the time in the movies/TV...I just watched it depicted on Season 2 of She's Gotta Have It. This was fake fighting too, you really think these two hated each other? Karl was literally laughing as he beat Dany's rusty ass. They weren't fighting to the death or out of hate for each other. Of course it was always fake fighting. A friendly competition.

It doesn't make it seem like adults are always 1 step from fukking everyone, that's why Karl's attempts at engaging other players (simulated and with human controllers) failed. You're ignoring that for some reason. The polar bear was over the top, for sure, but it ain't that deep.



And to address this specifically, the reason for his hormones to be raised is cuz his avatar finds the other avatar attractive. Just like his avatar getting punched makes his chest hurt.

My dude he finds his homie attractive..not the avatar

How do you explain the second time they sat down to play the game?
No fighting whatsoever.. straight to fukking


Avatars weren't responsible for that debauchery

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

My dude he finds his homie attractive..not the avatar

How do you explain the second time they sat down to play the game?
No fighting whatsoever.. straight to fukking


Avatars weren't responsible for that debauchery

Not just the second time, every time thereafter they went straight to fukking, cuz they had crossed that bridge.

Tru mac is questioning how they crossed that bridge to begin with. But once they did, they wanted that feeling they had never felt before. It blew their mind.

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

Not just the second time, every time thereafter they went straight to fukking, cuz they had crossed that bridge.

Tru mac is questioning how they crossed that bridge to begin with. But once they did, they wanted that feeling they had never felt before. It blew their mind.

I deaded it after they started going at it the second time
I'm good breh

 

[tru_m.a.c]

They weren't just sparring partners, they clearly shared a deeper bond

When was this shown? Ever.

Three things were shown before they fukked: 1) They took girls they were fukkn to clubs together 2) They played videogames and smoked weed 3) Karl humped Danny's leg

That's literally the extent of their relationship. You don't see how ridiculous of a leap you have to make that those 3 things lead to sex in a VR game? You're trapped by the post hoc fallacy.

You claim it makes no sense, yet this exact scenario (play fighting between platonic friends leading to a kiss or more) plays out all the time in the movies/TV...I just watched it depicted on Season 2 of She's Gotta Have It.

I told you this already happens all the time, but you keep missing the most important element - intent. The 2 people play fighting are purposefully trying to cop a feel.

This was fake fighting too, you really think these two hated each other? Karl was literally laughing as he beat Dany's rusty ass. They weren't fighting to the death or out of hate for each other. Of course it was always fake fighting. A friendly competition.

Son, did you just skip over hundreds of thousands of adults spar every day as friendly competition and don't fukk?

It doesn't make it seem like adults are always 1 step from fukking everyone, that's why Karl's attempts at engaging other players (simulated and with human controllers) failed. You're ignoring that for some reason.

The writers saying that when they kissed they didn't feel anything completely ignores this. And your next statement completely contradicts your point....

And to address this specifically, the reason for his hormones to be raised is cuz his avatar finds the other avatar attractive. Just like his avatar getting punched makes his chest hurt.

So Karl's hormones are raised because his avatar is attracted to Lance, but Karl doesn't enjoy fukkn other players unless Lance is controlled by Danny? You don't even know plot that you're arguing in favor of.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

My dude he finds his homie attractive..not the avatar

How do you explain the second time they sat down to play the game?
No fighting whatsoever.. straight to fukking


Avatars weren't responsible for that debauchery

exactly that was the point of me bringing up the polar bear quote. Karl doesn't get satisfaction from fukkn any other players from the online community,. Karl is seeking out his friend to fukk. But yet we're supposed to believe that this isn't "deeper" for Karl?

The writers were on some bullshyt. They want to make Karl gay, but they don't want to go full trope so they create the illusion of a grey area for viewers like "buuut you never know "

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

When was this shown? Ever.

Three things were shown before they fukked: 1) They took girls they were fukkn to clubs together 2) They played videogames and smoked weed 3) Karl humped Danny's leg

That's literally the extent of their relationship. You don't see how ridiculous of a leap you have to make that those 3 things lead to sex in a VR game? You're trapped by the post hoc fallacy.


I told you this already happens all the time, but you keep missing the most important element - intent. The 2 people play fighting are purposefully trying to cop a feel.



Son, did you just skip over hundreds of thousands of adults spar every day as friendly competition and don't fukk?


The writers saying that when they kissed they didn't feel anything completely ignores this. And your next statement completely contradicts your point....


So Karl's hormones are raised because his avatar is attracted to Lance, but Karl doesn't enjoy fukkn other players unless Lance is controlled by Danny? You don't even know plot that you're arguing in favor of.

I know exactly what I'm arguing. You're just denying it cuz gay equal yucky.

If this were Dany and Karla you wouldn't be questioning the jump to sex at all.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I know exactly what I'm arguing. You're just denying it cuz gay equal yucky.

If this were Dany and Karla you wouldn't be questioning the jump to sex at all.

give it up. I'm the last poster on this site that would be making that argument.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

give it up. I'm the last poster on this site that would be making that argument.

Thanks for playing though.

Really? You'd question why two platonic friends started kissing after play fighting? Ya, I'm calling BS. Happens all the time. And usually it's NOT between two people who intended to go down that path as you claim. It's usually in the midst of that play fighting that they even consider the possibility.

 

[Json]

That's just it...the game didn't just simulate pain, it simulated EVERYTHING (otherwise they wouldn't feel any pleasure from the sex). So a heterosexual male and female play fighting leading to a sexual encounter is pretty normal. If the game is simulating those hormones popping off, it all makes sense.

My gripe is that it should've been Dany who initiated the kiss since he's a heterosexual male lost in a VR world looking at a female. He'd be reacting naturally to hormones he had experienced his whole life. Having Karl do it requires him have those simulated hormones overcome a lifetime of operation (i.e. he's never looked at a male and felt horny before). Unless Karl was secretly gay, his descent into fakkitry was a bit too easy and forced.

The story wasn't about sexuality though. That's why the mechanics of hormones or whatever you're talking about don't matter.

The story was just bout emotional connections. How we feel when triggered by certain people or places etc. It doesn't matter if you haven't been to your hometown or seen your best friend in 10 years. The second you step back home, feeling arise. You go to a high school reunion and it's this weird feeling of old faces who knew you before.

The line about his knee when he first stepped into the game was the giveaway. In real life he's banged up. Mundane life. Pressures of wife and having kid(s). Dude lost his erection with his girlfriend. Getting old. In the game, with is friend, he's like he used to be in the beginning of the ep in the club. That's why they weren't excited by kissing in real life. That's not where the trigger was.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

The story wasn't about sexuality though. That's why the mechanics of hormones or whatever you're talking about don't matter.

The story was just bout emotional connections. How we feel when triggered by certain people or places etc. It doesn't matter if you haven't been to your hometown or seen your best friend in 10 years. The second you step back home, feeling arise. You go to a high school reunion and it's this weird feeling of old faces who knew you before.

The line about his knee when he first stepped into the game was the giveaway. In real life he's banged up. Mundane life. Pressures of wife and having kid(s). Dude lost his erection with his girlfriend. Getting old. In the game, with is friend, he's like he used to be in the beginning of the ep in the club. That's why they weren't excited by kissing in real life. That's not where the trigger was.

If that were true they wouldn't have kissed in real life. They were absolutely confused about their sexuality as a result of what they were doing in the game.

Lol @ it just being about emotional connections. They didn't just talk about their feelings in VR. They fukked. Repeatedly. Excessively.