Black Male privilege is as real as White Privilege

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Funny how women forget how patriarchies actually protect women. All mariachal societies get conquered by neighboring patriarchies. Matriarchal communities are not won in war or revolution. They are a result of failed patriarchies. Black women love to complain about what black men are not doing for them like white men do for white women not realizing that white women's cushy position is a result of white patriarchy.

Hiostorically, any society that was matriarchy was in decay and the result of a failed patriarchy as you mentioned.

Many people, feminists especially, like to use example of fierce female leaders. For example, Cleopatra or Queen Nzingha. However, they fail to mention or realize that both of those societies were at their end when those women were in charge. That all societies that were led led by matriarchs were basically last resort attempts at fighting back the winning side.

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Domestic violence rates are high in those places because they have warped views of gender and generally devalue women. Domestic violence rates are high in the Black community for much the same reasons.

The original argument with regards to this point was that you think domestic violence is "unique" to black Americans men. Well, it appears the evidence does not support your assertion. Domestic violence, reported and unreported, is common all over the world including parts of Asia like India, in addition to parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America. At what point does a phenomena cross from "unique" to "common? At what point do you stop implying that black American men need a "special solution"?

Also, the specter of poverty and education comes into play too, as domestic violence rises and falls according to social class and education. But if we took everything you say at face value, the only problem would be "warped views of gender". Poverty and education? Pshh, irrelevant.

It's a unique problem insofar as the degree of domestic violence in the Black community is much higher than for other races in the US. All problems are problems of degree.

Black Americans live in poverty at degrees higher than other races and have a Southern culture, but domestic violence happens amongst poor whites too, and the problem certainly is not "unique" as I showed you above.

Police targeting isn't a unique problem. Bummy looking white people get targeted by police, too. The difference is that Black people get targeted more because race and class come into play, as opposed to just class.

Police targeting with respects to black is indeed a unique problem. Police target blacks at higher rates across all economic levels and the problem is endemic. To assert otherwise is to claim that the justice system is not a "unique problem" for blacks. Everyone knows that is not true.

Miss me with the "cac" nonsense. Any Black man who downplays and defends the mistreatment of Black women using stereotypes and arguments that originate in White supremacy is much closer to being a cac than I am.

No, I won't, because you are a cac with a cac's (black man hating) agenda. You cacs are always trying to couple black men with white supremacy in order to drive a wedge between black men and women. Black men and cac supremacists are eternal enemies. That's why blacks are at the bottom and cacs are at the top. The two cannot coexist.

no, i have a job and class to prepare for, dont really have time to educate another person, when they should educate themselves. i concede nothing except its fruitless to argue with a fool. should never have responded in the first place, but that was my mistake.

Yeah, you lost the argument, and now you're trying an "appeal to authority" fallacy to "win" the argument after the debate is over. If only your actual valid arguments were as good as your excuses and fallacies, you might pass one of your classes. If you had any of the so-called education you say I need, you would have been able to formulate a good argument instead of scrambling now for excuses not to do so. Next time, don't respond if you lack evidence or logic to support your position. Listen and form your opinion based on the facts and not before them.
 

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The reasons men in general don't get custody most often is that they either don't want it or are unequipped to provide a better home for the child than the mother. There is some bias in the system, but the majority of cases are decided empirically based on those. And in the case of Black women specifically, they tend to be better educated, etc, than Black men, again making them better suited for parenting.

Self-referential and unsubstantiated BS.

I know how the family court system works (I'm a lawyer) and I can tell you that it's not that the mothers are "better educated", etc. The system is inherently biased against men. Call it a reformed system that practices judicial activism. The system used to unabashedly favor men but over the last 50 years, the courts have engaged in judicial activism to make up for its history of bias in favor of men. Hence, courts bend-over backwards to rule in favor of women under the guise of the "best interests of the child" standard.

I mean, think about it, if a woman was "better educated" and able to provide for their children, why would the courts demand men to pay alimony and child support over 85% of the time? If the women are "better suited for parenting", why do so many of them rely on government assistance.

Do the knowledge and stop spewing hackneyed (and fundamentally incorrect) nonsense.
 

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The original argument with regards to this point was that you think domestic violence is "unique" to black Americans men. Well, it appears the evidence does not support your assertion. Domestic violence, reported and unreported, is common all over the world including parts of Asia like India, in addition to parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America. At what point does a phenomena cross from "unique" to "common? At what point do you stop implying that black American men need a "special solution"?

No, my argument is that the uniquely and disproportionate degree of domestic violence in the Black community in the US was a problem. I made no assertions about the rest of the world, nor did I imply that domestic violence as a whole was unique to Black people. That would be as ridiculous as saying that police targeting as a whole is unique to Black people. I brought up the issue in the first place because of certain posters pretending that there is nothing unique to Black female experience in the US, and in fact, Black women had massive amounts of advantages over Black men with no disadvantages, which is a ridiculous claim.

Also, the specter of poverty and education comes into play too, as domestic violence rises and falls according to social class and education. But if we took everything you say at face value, the only problem would be "warped views of gender". Poverty and education? Pshh, irrelevant.

Black Americans live in poverty at degrees higher than other races and have a Southern culture, but domestic violence happens amongst poor whites too, and the problem certainly is not "unique" as I showed you above.

Warped views of gender are the immediate cause. Poverty and education are correlated with such views, but those views aren't reducible to them. Of course it happens among poor Whites, and every other race, too, but as you implicitly concede here, "culture" is part of the problem, and culture is not reducible to economic circumstance. If that was the case, then Black and White or Black and Asian communities of equal poverty/education would have equal domestic violence rates, and they don't. Similarly, places around the world with the same poverty/education rates would have the same DV rates, and they don't. And for the record, I agree with people like bell hooks that negative views of women in the Black community are imports from slavery era White culture, so I am not saying that Black men invented those views.

Police targeting with respects to black is indeed a unique problem. Police target blacks at higher rates across all economic levels and the problem is endemic. To assert otherwise is to claim that the justice system is not a "unique problem" for blacks. Everyone knows that is not true.

It is a unique problem in degree, not as a whole, the same way domestic violence is a unique problem in degree within the Black community.

No, I won't, because you are a cac with a cac's (black man hating) agenda. You cacs are always trying to couple black men with white supremacy in order to drive a wedge between black men and women. Black men and cac supremacists are eternal enemies. That's why blacks are at the bottom and cacs are at the top. The two cannot coexist.

This cac nonsense is just sad. I'm not White and will never be. I'm Black, grew up in a poor, Black neighborhood, and have been pro-Black my whole life. That includes calling out problems in the Black community, including those in the subgroup I belong to as a Black man. That aside, the fact that you keep trying to make this personal and psychological is a sign of deficiency in your own view.

Black people will never be united until the mistreatment and unique struggles of Black women with respect to White supremacy and to Black men are acknowledged. That's all it comes down to. The constant attempt by some Black men to pretend those problems don't exist or to downplay them is in direct service to White supremacy. The leading cause of death for Black females ages 15-35 is murder at the hands of a boyfriend or husband. If you don't see that as a serious problem, then I don't see how you can call yourself remotely pro-Black.
 
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I agree that a matriarchy is the result of a failed patriarchy. That's why we have a matriarchy our patriarchy failed disastrously. The black men were unable to protect their women and children from being enslaved and owned. The black women looks at us as weaklings the world looks at us as weaklings and we haven't done anything to prove them wrong. The black male had his chance our ancestors got conquered they lost they failed we now have a matriarchy.
 

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I agree that a matriarchy is the result of a failed patriarchy. That's why we have a matriarchy our patriarchy failed disastrously. The black men were unable to protect their women and children from being enslaved and owned. The black women looks at us as weaklings the world looks at us as weaklings and we haven't done anything to prove them wrong. The black male had his chance our ancestors got conquered they lost they failed we now have a matriarchy.


When the f*ck did black men have a chance?

Stop :cape: for these black feminists man. You're emasculating yourself more and more with each post. Not to mention that you're wrong and short-sighted.
 
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When the f*ck did black men have a chance?

Stop :cape: for these black feminists man. You're emasculating yourself more and more with each post. Not to mention that you're wrong and short-sighted.
Black men had a chance when they were running Africa the white man and Arab man showed up and dominated our ancestors conquered our ancestors. That was the black mans chance our ancestors lost. And because of that loss the black woman and child were enslaved and raped not to mention countless other unspeakable atrocities. You think she's going to trust the black man again after that colossal failure? That's delusional.
 

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Black men had a chance when they were running Africa the white man and Arab man showed up and dominated our ancestors conquered our ancestors. That was the black mans chance our ancestors lost. And because of that loss the black woman and child were enslaved and raped not to mention countless other unspeakable atrocities. You think she's going to trust the black man again after that colossal failure? That's delusional.
back to the 500 yr old black man argument :dead:

dude is literally suggesting black men deserve everything that comes to us because of what happened over half a century ago.
 

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Black males get male privilege friend :manny:

It may be a byproduct of White Supremacy, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Women have to deal with double standards and unfounded prejudices against them, and being black exacerbates this, making Black Women very underprivileged. Black Men are victims of discrimination and bias against them due to their being Black, but they do not receive any additional discrimination due to their sex and gender if they are hetero.

Facts only.

Black men do receive discrimination for being male. Act like you've never heard of police brutality, the pic, or even how black boys are treated by teachers. Without getting into the "worse off" olympics, I think it's pretty dumb to state that a peculiar sort of discrimination isn't reserved for black people that are also male.
 

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Black men had a chance when they were running Africa the white man and Arab man showed up and dominated our ancestors conquered our ancestors. That was the black mans chance our ancestors lost. And because of that loss the black woman and child were enslaved and raped not to mention countless other unspeakable atrocities. You think she's going to trust the black man again after that colossal failure? That's delusional.

Somebody neg this n*gga!
 
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back to the 500 yr old black man argument :dead:

dude is literally suggesting black men deserve everything that comes to us because of what happened over half a century ago.
Well what has happened since then? Are African countries now powerhouses? No their some of the richest countries in terms of natural resources and some of the poorest in terms of quality of life. So the black man doesn't provide. Does the black man protect? No terrorists kidnapping girls that still haven't been recovered. Unarmed black men getting gunned down in the street by racist white devils then they get rich and we can't stop it. 500 years later and we still can't get the white mans boot off our throats. That's what's happening now and nobody respects victims nobody respects losers.
 
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