Black feminists criticize Juicy J for twerking scholarship

[Danie84]

She must be unaware of Juicy J's track record

 

[villain]

Only thing I think he did that was messed up was try to shame the girls who did twerk. Seems to me like he changed his mind mid-way through the competition and decided he didn't want to give the money to some girl simply because she twerked nice

 

[Blackking]

I'm surprised so many black feminists keep up with the latest in ratchet culture.

dont be.

 

[A$AP Ahki]

@The Real I never thought it would come to this breh but I totally disagree with you on this entire subject.

I feel that the feminists are deriding a man who they call an idiot for giving a girl who used a loophole and critical reading skills 50 thousand dollars in a contest slated for girls who shook their asses on camera for money; an act which has yet to be called "stupid" or "idiocy" by you or the feminists. You are not being fair to these women by not allowing them to be idiots. It seems only men can be engaged in mass stupidity according to this thin logic. Juicy J is a multimillionaire who's survived nearly 2 decades in the rap game and while it is a matter of subjectivity I can make the assertion that he is in fact the smart one and these feminists bloviating about what one man does with his own money are the idiots. They are stupid if they think, in my estimation, that they will accomplish anything with this type of petty nonsense.

I am not some kind of "mens rights" activist nor am I insensitive to women's issues however this is a cut and dry case of hypersensitivity with regards to one private individual and his money. Zaire is the true feminist, she used her brain and out witted the ass shakers and is studying biology. This is a net positive for society as a whole and semantics do not pay the bills, friend.

 

[The Real]

@The Real I never thought it would come to this breh but I totally disagree with you on this entire subject.

I feel that the feminists are deriding a man who they call an idiot for giving a girl who used a loophole and critical reading skills 50 thousand dollars in a contest slated for girls who shook their asses on camera for money; an act which has yet to be called "stupid" or "idiocy" by you or the feminists. You are not being fair to these women by not allowing them to be idiots. It seems only men can be engaged in mass stupidity according to this thin logic. Juicy J is a multimillionaire who's survived nearly 2 decades in the rap game and while it is a matter of subjectivity I can make the assertion that he is in fact the smart one and these feminists bloviating about what one man does with his own money are the idiots. They are stupid if they think, in my estimation, that they will accomplish anything with this type of petty nonsense.

I am not some kind of "mens rights" activist nor am I insensitive to women's issues however this is a cut and dry case of hypersensitivity with regards to one private individual and his money. Zaire is the true feminist, she used her brain and out witted the ass shakers and is studying biology. This is a net positive for society as a whole and semantics do not pay the bills, friend.

You're free to disagree. Let me explain why I disagree with what you said, though. You're putting it as if the women are giving him shyt for giving that very deserving girl money, but they aren't. They said so already in the piece that she deserved the money. And I don't think it's inherently stupid or degrading for a woman to shake her ass for money- I'm pretty liberal about those kinds of things, actually. I think prostitution should be a legal, regulated industry. I don't think strip clubs are inherently wrong. What I do find wrong is when women are unnecessarily degraded for doing those things, or reduced to them as if there's nothing else to them (notice I'm not saying any and all women who do these things are blame free or that there's nothing wrong with doing these things ever.) I don't think women are incapable of engaging in mass stupidity- part of the idiocy associated with twerk culture is their fault, too. But in this, particular case, Juicy is the primary guilty party. He did everything he could to steer women towards twerking for money, then switched it up at the last minute and demonized them for doing it. That is both incoherent, from a logical standpoint, and ethically wrong. If you're a rapper who makes his money on lyrics about paying women for twerking or sex, you don't get to attack women who twerk for money when you yourself ask them to.

 

[Mr.Black]

http://www.crunkfeministcollective....beware-juicy-j-thinks-reading-is-fundamental/



Yesterday, Juicy J announced the winner of the $50,000 twerking scholarship that he began advertising in October in a partnership with World Star Hip Hop.

The winner, 19 year old biology major Zaire Holmes distinguished herself from many other applicants by deciding not to twerk.

It turns out twerking was not required.

Congratulations are in order for Ms. Holmes. She is not only a student, but also a full time single mom, with a clear cut set of goals for becoming a doctor and achieving her dreams. That’s awesome and I am peacock proud of the sister for doing the damn thing!

But I’m absolutely incensed at Juicy J for even daring to invoke respectability politics when announcing his choice of winner.

In the opening scene of the video, Juicy J says, “Fifty thousand dollars is a lot of money and I don’t want to waste it on just some girl twerking her ass. You don’t deserve it.”

Um what?! No sir. No fukking sir. You invited women to twerk, all while drumming up free publicity for your otherwise unremarkable song “Scholarship,” which is about a woman who pays her way through school by dancing.

Zaire says at the end of the video, “a lot of people thought you had to twerk but you just had to read the rules.” And Juicy J chimes right in, “See that’s what you get for shaking your ass and thinking you were gone get some money. It’s not always about shaking your ass.”

Now look, I know this shyt seems clever, but color me unimpressed. Zaire was clearly a deserving candidate, but that does not mean that the scores of women who showed off their twerking skills deserved to be shamed or to have Juicy J’s whack ass insinuate that they were stupid.

I mean look, perhaps it was wrong of us not to recognize the master mind behind “Bands A Make Her Dance,” was incapable of noble intentions toward sisters hustling trying to make it. Who knew that he would use this scholarship as a sick experiment to add credibility to his premise, (i.e. girls will dance for money.)?

But that is the thing we should be clear about. Juicy J wanted girls to twerk, framed it as a twerking competition, and then had the nerve to try to make a ratchet project respectable not by simply taking responsibility for his choice but rather by shaming the sisters who participated.

My good friend Dr. Treva Lindsey noted that in many ways his refusal to choose a woman who twerked and his choice to just reduce their videos down to a mindless shaking of ass constituted “blatant usurping of any of the power the women in videos exercised in creating their own narratives about financing their education. We all knew the scholarship was a problematic from its inception, but damn if some of these hip hop generation women didn’t enter into that problematic space and find a way to resist and explore. Now we shaming??? GTFOH.”

Exactly.

Yes, many of these women twerked, but they twerked on their own terms, they twerked while reading Dorothy Roberts, they twerked with friends, they twerked for enjoyment.
So while Juicy J might have capitulated to calls to make his process more “respectable” by not requiring a girl to shake her ass for money, he also undercut that by shaming the women who did exactly what he asked them to do.

He seems to have some sick, twisted Captain Save a Ho complex, wherein he wants to be a Sugar Daddy for some girl from the hood, a la E-40. But since he doesn’t fundamentally respect the girls who dance in the club for money, he deems them all unworthy of being saved through his $50 thousand dollar gift.

Like the Project Pat remix to E-40, Juicy J’s snub screams “don’t save her! She don’t wanna be saved.”

Sexism warps the mind and the dulls the thinking. Clearly.

Some part of me thinks that we feminists got what we deserved: our willingness to keep on trying to resist and subvert patriarchy often only ends up showing us how much we don’t control the terms of the conversation. And maybe our goal should not just be resistance any longer, but fullscale revolt, because in this instance, Black women got played. But we’re still figuring out what revolution looks like, and unfortunately we still believe these sexist @ssholes are redeemable and mean us some good.

Sexism doesn’t work that way though. Or rather it works exactly this way. He gives out a few crumbs to Zaire, and transforms her life. She is exceptional and he gets to be the Patron Saint of Hustlin Hood Chicks. All the while, his contempt for women in general and sex workers in particular remains in check and thinly veiled.

Oh and I’m not here for anybody talking about “they shoulda read the fine print.” Juicy J knew what he was doing, and if your goal is to give a scholarship, then don’t act like you are asking trick questions in a Mensa contest. You’re not that dude, J. Stay in your lane.

In the end, Juicy J switched things up, invoked respectability, invited a kind of derisiveness towards twerkers, and thought he would come out looking like a stand up guy.

Not so I say.

This is deeply fukked up and we should not fall for it.

Women who twerk for money are not stupid. Rather than blaming twerkers, I think our eyes should be squarely on Juicy J. He came up with this brainchild, got to watch countless women shake their ass for free mind you, and then did what dudes do best: blame women for being stupid enough to disrespect themselves.

But let’s remember he had money and power and he used it target women without money and power. Getting mad at them for making the “wrong choice” to participate absolves Juicy J of using male privilege and money and to set up a rigged game.

So don’t fall for the okey doke. Juicy J is a sexist. We already knew that. And he participated in the worst of kind of exploitation by getting working class sisters who really needed the help to participate in his contest.

I’m glad Zaire has the funds she needs to become a doctor, but Juicy J gets NO RESPECT. He might win some, but he just lost one.

all that needed to be read, stupid monkey ass horsehat hoodrat bytches

 

[Blackking]

You're free to disagree. Let me explain why I disagree with what you said, though. You're putting it as if the women are giving him shyt for giving that very deserving girl money, but they aren't. They said so already in the piece that she deserved the money. And I don't think it's inherently stupid or degrading for a woman to shake her ass for money- I'm pretty liberal about those kinds of things, actually. I think prostitution should be a legal, regulated industry. I don't think strip clubs are inherently wrong. What I do find wrong is when women are unnecessarily degraded for doing those things, or reduced to them as if there's nothing else to them (notice I'm not saying any and all women who do these things are blame free or that there's nothing wrong with doing these things ever.) I don't think women are incapable of engaging in mass stupidity- part of the idiocy associated with twerk culture is their fault, too. But in this, particular case, Juicy is the primary guilty party. He did everything he could to steer women towards twerking for money, then switched it up at the last minute and demonized them for doing it. That is both incoherent, from a logical standpoint, and ethically wrong. If you're a rapper who makes his money on lyrics about paying women for twerking or sex, you don't get to attack women who twerk for money when you yourself ask them to.

At the end of the day... what matters? higher education right?
So what he did was a good thing... they should leave him alone.. or start programs that don't involve twerking.
Dissing Juicy isn't going to solve the problems of a misogynistic society.
America is like that, so of course most of its sub cultures would follow suit. Of course because Juicy is in the 'black' sub culture he will be blasted worse.... and most likely by black feminist women who make it a habit of attacking men of every category and blaming them for the decisions of grown women. That's what disrespectful... to pretend that this women were too dumb to make a decision. Juicy put the money up, not a gun to their heads. If femist made sure no women participated then they did their job... They don't win by dissing a men paying for some broads college.
He trolled, he created a crazy contest... so what? This chick gets to be a doctor....

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

You know they are doing the butterfly in the shower listening to Shabba Ranks

 

[TLOL is back]

As usual, not a single aspect of sexism is seen here. Feminists can keep crying though. It is what they do best.

 

[Crakface]

Should i be mad that some hoes cant use that money to buy a new wig.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

he is giving away money for college.. These feminist hoes aren't giving away shyt. I always chose the side of the person supporting education.

 

[PartyHeart]

I think some of you are getting confused. Feminists are not shaming the women who participated. For the most part they did what they wanted to do. The author is saying how ingenuous and despicable Juicy J's intentions were because he encouraged the women to participate in a behavior almost explicitly, then shamed the ones who did as beneath himself and the ones who didn't.

He was basically exercising male privilege by encouraging a behavior he participates and finds gratification in, and then condemning those who partake in it with him but on the other side of it. It was even worse than normal because he was doing so over a group of women without the means to a higher education, so basically exploiting those seeking to better themselves.

The response would have been entirely different if he hadn't promoted it as a twerking contest and gave it to a woman who didn't twerk. Or even if he had promoted it as a twerking contest, gave it to a woman who didn't twerk, and just didn't shame and look down on the women who did.

 

[ltheghost]

Breaking it down. A good single mother got 50,000 dollar scholarship for not shaking her ass and other women shook their ass and didn't get a dime. Anyone complaining about it, needs to get over it. Black feminist complaining.

 

[TLOL is back]

This thread is hilarious

Juicy J exercised male privilege by encouraging slutty behavior and then engaging in slut shaming. Women engage in female privilege every time they encourage a man to marry them, and then divorce him later on, forcing him to pay them a salary for once being married to him (alimony) as well as child support which they are free to use for non-child related expenses like shoes and trips to Hawaii.

Slut shaming versus ruining someone's fukking life, between the two, it looks like females got the upper hand when it comes to privilege . When the feminists get outraged about both, they can be taken seriously. Until then they can

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

sounds like feminists doing what they normally do and making up shyt to get outraged about