Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.

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I haven't read the past few pages but the earliest confirmed date of Africans and what we now call the continental United States is October of 1526. In South Carolina. The lead a rebellion and escaped into the wilderness never to be seen again. Some day they went on to love with Native Americans in the area.


The earliest possible date is 1312, when Mansa Musa's predecessor lead a fleet across the Atlantic Ocean. They never returned.



I definitely think it's possible that Africans crossed over before Europeans did. But if so, they almost definitely would have landed in South America or the Caribbean first. Look at a map of the ocean or the trade winds, the USA is more than twice as far from Africa as South America is.
 

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Next thing you know, whites will demand reparations and get it!


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Yo, I thought this was just trolling. You saying it's a real thing? :wtf:
 

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Since that one thread with a coli breh who said there weren't enough slave ships to ship slaves over from Africa and there were millions of black people in America before Columbus arrived, I try to avoid these topics. I have more coherent discussions with dementia patients.


This is a very cool story though
Didn’t you aks him how whites got over?

If you want to know how dumb these people actually are. Listen to this: a conversation with a self proclaimed ABOS, who doesn’t understand that the amount of humans can have the same weight as other cargo.

He doesn’t understand that 100 pounds is 100 pounds, no matter the type of cargo.
Someone (Nikki Justice On The Run) in the comment section stated: “these people are dumb in real life”.

It starts at 2:40:00.

 

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Yes or No
Did your African Ancestors come here on slaveships 400 years ago
or
Were they here thousands of years before that?

Those are the most important questions here.
And Black Americans been on the American continent for thousands of years, it would have shown in the physiology and genetic makeup.

Miraculously these components do show direct correlation to groups in Africa. In particularly West Africa.

Not too long ago I heard RaBorn from Each1 Teach1 reviewed a few books, during a discussion he had with ABOS (Aboriginals / A Tribe Called Intenet-Indians).

The (one sided) debate (evidence is overwhelming):

 
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I definitely think it's possible that Africans crossed over before Europeans did. But if so, they almost definitely would have landed in South America or the Caribbean first. Look at a map of the ocean or the trade winds, the USA is more than twice as far from Africa as South America is.
Ocean currents haven't changed for a few thousand years. They could have hit the Caribbean but it's possible they could have gotten to Florida/Georgia/South Carolina on the North Equatorial current.

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Ocean currents haven't changed for a few thousand years. They could have hit the Caribbean but it's possible they could have gotten to Florida/Georgia/South Carolina on the North Equatorial current.

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That I posted decades ago, but my stance now is that there needs to be physical anthropological evidence beyond this. We barley have any of this, to nothing at all. We do have speculative materials.

They could have is not sufficient. Although I do think it was Africans who took these Iberians to the Americas. Columbus had African marines on his ship.

“The pioneering study of ADNMT carried out on Olmec individuals, one from San Lorenzo and the other from Loma del Zapote, resulted,
in both cases, in the unequivocal presence of the distinctive mutations of the “A” maternal lineage.

That is, the origin of the Olmecs is not in Africa but in America, since they share the most abundant of the five mitochondrial haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous populations of our continent: A, B, C, D and X.

Beyond what happened in other latitudes, immersed in their particular environmental mosaic from which they took advantage, the Mesoamerican peoples resolved in a practical and innovative way multiple challenges of their day to day. This led them to forge such diverse societies, whose achievements in countless areas of human endeavor made Mesoamerica an extraordinary cultural area of the ancient world. The underlying talent and its bearers were of local descent, and an example of this is Olmec society, the first Mesoamerican civilization.

Enrique Villamar Becerril. Physical anthropologist from ENAH. Candidate for a doctor in Mesoamerican studies (UNAM), with an analysis of ADNMT in bone remains from various sites of the Preclassic period.”

(Villamar Becerril Enrique, "DNA Studies and the Origin of the Olmecs", Mexican Archeology, no. 150, pp. 40-41.)

“mtDNA haplotypes of representatives of the cosmopolitan peoples of north-central Mexico were studied. Two hundred twenty-three samples from individuals residing in vicinities of two localities in north-central Mexico were analyzed. A combination of strategies was employed to identify the origin of each haplotype, including length variation analysis of the COII and tRNALYS intergenic region, nucleotide sequence analysis of control region hypervariable segment 1, and RFLP analysis of PCR products spanning diagnostic sites. Analysis of these data revealed that the majority of the mtDNA haplotypes were of Native American origin, belonging to one of four primary Native American haplogroups.

Others were of European or African origin, and the frequency of African haplotypes was equivalent to that of haplotypes of European derivation. These results provide diagnostic, discrete character, molecular genetic evidence that, together with results of previous studies of classical genetic systems, is informative with regard to both the magnitude of African admixture and the relative maternal contribution of African, European, and Native American peoples to the genetic heritage of Mexico. Phylogenetic analysis revealed that African sequences formed a basal, paraphyletic group.”

(Lance D. Green, James N. Derr and Alec Knight - mtDNA Affinities of the Peoples of North-Central Mexico)

Fantasies aren’t helping anyone.

And even if they managed to crossover, what difference does this make? How does this help us in the future and now?

This we was here already is a self induced dopamine the make one feel better about oneself.
 
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Ocean currents haven't changed for a few thousand years. They could have hit the Caribbean but it's possible they could have gotten to Florida/Georgia/South Carolina on the North Equatorial current.

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It's within the realm of possibility but I think it's unlikely for a lot of reasons. First, this is the position of the empire relative to those currents:

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1. On the north, the empire pretty much went straight up to the edge of the desert and then stopped. They might have probed even further north to find those currents, but seems more likely they would have probed south instead. That would have directed them to the South American coast.


2. If they went north, they would have had a much longer journey = less chance for success. So even if they did got north, rather than south, there's a decent chance they never made it. We have no idea what they were expecting to prepare for, how long they expected it to be, but it would have been many times longer over open ocean than anything they would have done before.


3. Even Columbus coming from far further north 200 years later hit Bahamas, Hispanola, Cuba, Jamaica, Puerto Rico every time on 4 separate tries with different routes every time, never Florida/Georgia. From there his explorations reached Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama, but never the USA. The Mali empire would have come along the extreme southern end of those currents, so they'd be even more likely to hit the Caribbean first.


4. When early Europeans missed the Caribbean, they always ended up way to the north instead, ending up in Canada every time. Norsemen in the 1000s, João Vaz Corte-Real in the 1400s (speculative), John Cabot in 1497, João Fernandes Lavrador in 1499, Corte-Real brothers in 1501, they ALL hit Canada, not the USA.


5. Ponce de Leon finally hit Florida in 1512, after conquering Cuba. This was after 20+ years of European exploration and after 10+ separate journeys, and he found it VIA Cuba, not by skipping.


6. The potential evidence we do have for Africans landing in the Americas pre-Columbus all comes from Central/South America or the Caribbean. I'm not aware of any evidence from USA territory that anyone serious takes seriously.


I think there's a reasonable chance African explorers found their way to Latin America, but very unlikely to be the USA for the same reasons that everyone else hit Latin America first too, even though the others were coming from even further north than the Africans would have.
 
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Yo, I thought this was just trolling. You saying it's a real thing? :wtf:
Well, you have seen the consequences this dumb nikka called Dane Colloway has put out. But yeah, it’s fake pseudo history.


I did look at some videos on his channel a while ago. Actually I don’t want to post these things, because it puts coins in his failed rapper grifting bag!










I can agree with the Amerindian admixture part. But the claim that slavery and MAAFA didn’t exist is mind boggling crazy. There are descendants of these enslaved Africans all over the Americas.

The abuse of Dane Colloway. This what happens when you put Dane in a debate!! Complete annihilation!!!







And yes, Tariq Nasheed also has helped to put out this false narrative. He stated that it was the other way around. And that the African component was a small admixture contribution to the already existing population that allegedly would make up the bulk for Black Americans who allegedly had been on the American continent for thousands to even millions of years. I heard him say these things, with these staged call-ins.

When some guy for real called-in he quickly hung up the line. The guy started to speak on population genetics.

People are confusing African ancestry with that of the Lapita people.



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A while ago Tariq made jokes on a Black woman with gap teeth.

"Earlier studies showed that the prevalence of maxillary midline diastema was greater in African populations than among Caucasians or Asian [21]. Another research reported that a maxillary midline diastema (MMD) occurrence among African Americans is more"
(Kyle Cousineau, Tanya Al Talib, Neamat Abubakr Hassan. Retrospective Evaluation of the Prevalence of Diastema among an Adult Population. Open Journal of Stomatology Vol.12 No.6, June 2022)
 
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from egyptian, nubian moors to jews to aboriginals

it don't stop... even when your DNA is mapped to West Africa and the sea ports of exit still exist in the region

black people documented the passage too. you don't have to rely on white people dumb ass. make belief bullshyt vs genetic data

it's not even a fair match. :mjlol:
They're insane.
 
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