Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.

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Although most of us have some Native American genetics, we're mostly west and central African and western European.

In the very early British colonial days there was a lot of mixing going on.
"Most of have some Native American genetics"

That has been proven to be false and false again. Blacks on a whole in the Americas rarely have any native genetics.
 

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"Most of have some Native American genetics"

That has been proven to be false and false again. Blacks on a whole in the Americas rarely have any native genetics.
I said some...1-2% Native DNA.

Our ancestors probably had more percentage. Keep in mind, those ancestry tests (23andme, ancestry.com) are only accurate within the last 5 generations.
 

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I said some...1-2% Native DNA.

Our ancestors probably had more percentage. Keep in mind, those ancestry tests (23andme, ancestry.com) are only accurate within the last 5 generations.

Your ancestors from Africa had more Native American DNA?

Tell me I’m dreaming. Neggas really don’t wanna be Black. That is dead ass depressing and sad al l at the same time
 

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I said some...1-2% Native DNA.

Our ancestors probably had more percentage. Keep in mind, those ancestry tests (23andme, ancestry.com) are only accurate within the last 5 generations.
How can your ancestry have had more admixture, when you are dealing with the same population?

Do you understand a genetic bottleneck occurrence and the founder effect population?


 

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Your ancestors from Africa had more Native American DNA?

Tell me I’m dreaming. Neggas really don’t wanna be Black. That is dead ass depressing and sad al l at the same time

How can your ancestry have had more admixture, when you are dealing with the same population?

Do you understand a genetic bottleneck occurrence and the founder effect population?


5 generations is your 2 times great grandparents (you count yourself as a generation). For me, that's roughly 1870s-80s when they were born. By the 1880s Black Americans were already admixed. We were already in this land for 300 years by that time.

As I said before, in early British colonial America there was plenty of mixing going on. Black Americans in the 1880s most likely had higher than 1 or 2 percent Native American DNA. When the racial integrity act of 1924 was implemented many Native American communities wanted to separate themselves from black communities.
 
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5 generations is your 2 times great grandparents (you count yourself as a generation). For me, that's roughly 1870s-80s when they were born. By the 1880s Black Americans were already admixed. We were already in this land for 300 years by that time.

As I said before, in early British colonial America there was plenty of mixing going on. Black Americans in the 1880s most likely had higher than 1 or 2 percent Native American DNA. When the racial integrity act of 1924 was implemented many Native American communities wanted to separate themselves from black communities.

I guess you mean to say that individuals like Crispus Attucks had more native American Indian heritage at the time? And this became dispersed over time over the larger Black population. If so you end up with the percentage you’ve mentioned.

It couldn’t have been the average Black American had native American Indian admixture, because that would mean the average Black American should have by far more native American Indian admixture now.

I can see how the woman Jordan could have been an ancestral mother. She has the same facial traits and color complexion as Amerindians in the Amazon region of South and Meso American.



People like Crispus Attucks are the genetic founder affect for this admixture.


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“Crispus Attucks, a sailor of mixed African and Indigenous ancestry…”


“Unusually tall for the era at six feet, two inches, Attucks was of mixed ancestry, the son of an African American man and an American Indian woman.”

“We analyzed the patterns of Native American admixture seen for the three largest genetic ancestry groups in the US population: African descendants,”
[…]
Native American ancestry in the modern African descendant population does not coincide with local geography, instead forming a single group with origins in the southeastern US, consistent with the Great Migration of the early 20thcentury.”
[…]
“The post-Colombian settling of North America brought African, European, and Native American populations into close proximity for the first time. The inevitable admixture among these groups resulted a reservoir of Native American ancestry in modern US populations, outside of traditional Native American groups. Here we characterize that Native American ancestry in a geographically diverse set of African descendant, […] “


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Americans across three genetic cohort studies. Image courtesy: Baharian et al. (2016)


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Since that one thread with a coli breh who said there weren't enough slave ships to ship slaves over from Africa and there were millions of black people in America before Columbus arrived, I try to avoid these topics. I have more coherent discussions with dementia patients.


This is a very cool story though
 

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I guess you mean to say that individuals like Crispus Attucks had more native American Indian heritage at the time? And this became dispersed over time over the larger Black population. If so you end up with the percentage you’ve mentioned.

It couldn’t have been the average Black American had native American Indian admixture, because that would mean the average Black American should have by far more native American Indian admixture now.

People like Crispus Attucks are the genetic founder affect for this admixture.

“Crispus Attucks, a sailor of mixed African and Indigenous ancestry…”


“Unusually tall for the era at six feet, two inches, Attucks was of mixed ancestry, the son of an African American man and an American Indian woman.”

“We analyzed the patterns of Native American admixture seen for the three largest genetic ancestry groups in the US population: African descendants,”
[…]
Native American ancestry in the modern African descendant population does not coincide with local geography, instead forming a single group with origins in the southeastern US, consistent with the Great Migration of the early 20thcentury.”
[…]
“The post-Colombian settling of North America brought African, European, and Native American populations into close proximity for the first time. The inevitable admixture among these groups resulted a reservoir of Native American ancestry in modern US populations, outside of traditional Native American groups. Here we characterize that Native American ancestry in a geographically diverse set of African descendant, […] “


image






journal.pgen_.1006059.g001.png

Americans across three genetic cohort studies. Image courtesy: Baharian et al. (2016)


41467_2016_Article_BFncomms12522_Fig1_HTML.jpg


That's essentially what I'm saying. Most of us have a little Native ancestry. One of those links pointed out 1-3% and that makes sense.

Early colonial America was mostly on the Atlantic and Southeast U.S.
 

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Since that one thread with a coli breh who said there weren't enough slave ships to ship slaves over from Africa and there were millions of black people in America before Columbus arrived, I try to avoid these topics. I have more coherent discussions with dementia patients.


This is a very cool story though
400-600k Africans were brought over as slaves...or about 5% of the entire transatlantic slave trade. The vast majority went to the Caribbean and South America.
 

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400-600k Africans were brought over as slaves...or about 5% of the entire transatlantic slave trade. The vast majority went to the Caribbean and South America.

Samouri Toure guy should not be dapping your posts since he SCARED to admit being Nigerian.

Mr. Ol "oh it wasnt called nigeria when my ancestors were there"

Are you also scared to admit that you have west african ancestry?
I think you Ghanian

Does it pain you to be from Ghana?
 

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It can be facts, but it needs to be reviewed and verified on its authenticity. That has nothing to do with white. It has to do with being able to use proper methodology and peer review a source. The fact you commented like this is evident that you aren’t academically educated.

This story has been reviewed and verified and is authentic. Hence “Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.”.
“It can be facts” it is facts and been facts even before being “verified”. There are plenty of other historical facts and things that exist that have not been completely verified by so called professionals yet for many reasons. Sometimes because no one else who was alive was there, other times those looking to verify don’t know where to look or white people lied/tried to hide it. Yet when a white person writes it in a book without your idea of verification it is still taken as fact was my point. Prime example is majority of the sources you are using to support your arguments with other folks in here don’t have sources/verification other than a white person wrote it.

The fact that you ASSume someone isn’t “academically educated” because you partially disagreed is extremely telling. Trying to insult others, feigning intelligence when it’s evident that you’re not as smart as you want to appear and you just want to argue with people online. It’s also giving you are white washed or non Black American ethnically and don’t know much about American/Black American history.

Have fun arguing with yourself now :queen:
 

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“It can be facts” it is facts and been facts even before being “verified”. There are plenty of other historical facts and things that exist that have not been completely verified by so called professionals yet for many reasons. Sometimes because no one else who was alive was there, other times those looking to verify don’t know where to look or white people lied/tried to hide it. Yet when a white person writes it in a book without your idea of verification it is still taken as fact was my point. Prime example is majority of the sources you are using to support your arguments with other folks in here don’t have sources/verification other than a white person wrote it.

The fact that you ASSume someone isn’t “academically educated” because you partially disagreed is extremely telling. Trying to insult others, feigning intelligence when it’s evident that you’re not as smart as you want to appear and you just want to argue with people online. It’s also giving you are white washed or non Black American ethnically and don’t know much about American/Black American history.

Have fun arguing with yourself now :queen:


Yes or No
Did your African Ancestors come here on slaveships 400 years ago
or
Were they here thousands of years before that?

Those are the most important questions here.
 

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This is an awesome story. It takes a lot of heart to hold onto something like that with just your family carrying it on.



This is the reason why I can’t fukk with clowns who try to say “we’re not African, we’re indigenous to this land.”

You’re disrespecting your ancestors who suffered through shyt like this so that your ungrateful ass can be here today.

You don’t wanna identify with Africa? Cool. But don’t disown your ancestors.
Nikkas still trying to claim Olmecs and Mayans, the white man somehow erased everyone's memory in both America and Africa and put different memories in:dahell:


Same with the Hebrew stuff. The idea that an entire culture's memories just "disappeared" is ridiculous. There are plenty of cultural connections to Africa in the American Black population in terms of word use, songs, religious practices, stories...but somehow every single connection to being Native American or Hebrew was erased from everybody?
 
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