Black conservative on what it was like growing up in the 50s and 60s

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a lot of yall care more about a political party than you do your own people.

white man is slick :wow:
If one cares for their people, who does one govern and benefit their community without political power? If the answer is black business, traditional values, and some other tripe, your are a recession and/or firebombing away from having zero agency and scrambling for resources. Talk all that good talk all you want, but without political action, brothas and sistas are sitting ducks. Lets look at the textbooks in a few years when slaves written out and black people are simultaneously given no credit for and also put negatively in every movement from civil rights to labor rights. There is a big ass conversation to be had that is being ignored under guise of “pro blackness.”

As a black man literally looking at home ownership and realizing If I looked into it last year, I could have more options (interest rates), and there was a 4 year period of buffoonery that recently put us on this path. Conserve WHAT?
 

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Republicans are literally the enemy of Black people..

Not sambo ass niqqas apparently, as long as you kiss their ass they will tolerate you.

But normal Black people who wish to be free, they would attend a lynching of one of us and cook burgers and laugh like it was a stand up act.

So fukc this both sides bullshyt. Time to get for real.
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If one cares for their people, who does one govern and benefit their community without political power? If the answer is black business, traditional values, and some other tripe, your are a recession and/or firebombing away from having zero agency and scrambling for resources. Talk all that good talk all you want, but without political action, brothas and sistas are sitting ducks. Lets look at the textbooks in a few years when slaves written out and black people are simultaneously given no credit for and also put negatively in every movement from civil rights to labor rights. There is a big ass conversation to be had that is being ignored under guise of “pro blackness.”

As a black man literally looking at home ownership and realizing If I looked into it last year, I could have more options (interest rates), and there was a 4 year period of buffoonery that recently put us on this path. Conserve WHAT?
why not both?

we dead one side before they even get a chance.

there is variety in nature so that a species can survive in many different environments...
...black people dont have that variety.

we focus one way of thinking and its killing us (literally and figuratively)
 

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If one cares for their people, who does one govern and benefit their community without political power?

What is your take on the Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern Community?

Generally, they do not participate in local politics, even though they heavily participate in the business community.

Having said that, Chun Li, Dhalsim, and Rashid are able to conduct business, build wealth, send their kids to good public schools and great colleges - specifically because Black people bled for those rights and continue to bleed for them.

Some of them use those rights to open businesses in "our" neighborhoods, get loans, get contracts enforced, have the cops show up to deal with "undesirables" (Mike Brown/George Floyd...)

I digress

Other non-black/non-white communities are able to use the apparatus of the state without really putting much into the political process.

I very much believe we could do the same. Changing all the kebab places and vape shops to Black Owners would not be the end-all, be-all - but private actors coordinating with Black owned banks - could actually get into the RE Biz/Master* Planned Communities.

*pun intended
 

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The policies that Black people vote for and their local representatives, are usually farther left than just liberal, show me a white moderate liberal city that would elect the equivalent of Chokwe Lumumba in Jackson, Mississippi.

I don't think you know what the words you used here really mean, you're conflating civil liberties with civil rights, civil rights are a liberal position.
One side of the aisle is DOA so black votes will bear out in favor of the left (and left leaning policies) 99% of the time.
Im using 'the left' as a catch all term, feel free to nitpick it though, after all this is the internet.

Blacks do seem to be moving left on key issues though from what i was able to gather in a quick google of enduring debates. :hubie:

 

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Cable news media and Rush Limbaugh (and his ilk) have turned the words "liberal" and "conservative" into slurs over the past few decades.
It was childish when they first started doing it, and it's too far gone to turn back. Name calling and putting labels on people so you can write them off and dismiss them.
 

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One side of the aisle is DOA so black votes will bear out in favor of the left (and left leaning policies) 99% of the time.
Im using 'the left' as a catch all term, feel free to nitpick it though, after all this is the internet.

Blacks do seem to be moving left on key issues though from what i was able to gather in a quick google of enduring debates.

It's not a nitpick, you just aren't familiar with that area of politics, there's a distinct difference between left and liberal, using left as a catch-all term when describing specific policies and politicians is unheard of.:heh:

'Blacks' :mjpls: in the US have always had a more left leaning tradition than the rest of the country, most of the highly respected mid-century civil rights leaders were invested in organized labor and some even sympathetic to Socialism. That's why the difference matters, sure one party is DOA, but when it comes to the democratic party, Black voters have always been instrumental in pushing the party left. Speaking to your links, neoliberalism is the cause for tensions surrounding immigration and charter schools, abortion and gay marriage double as religious issues, your argument doesn't cut it, most Black Americans are not conservative.
 

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Name me a Black Conservative that lives and hangs out with Black People?

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Nobody even listen to the video

He said the neighborhood was all black, black families work, their was black Taylors, black own stores, the kids was disciplined by other parents in the neighborhood, the schools held parent conference meetings in the evening when both parents was available, both parents in the black home was at 79% up until 1960.. teen pregnancy was look down on and other points..

But coli nikkas want to argue and scared to admit those days are long gone in the community

This has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal…..
That was my childhood.......back when we called each other 'Brother' and 'Sister' and knew everybody in the neighborhood on a first name basis.

:mjcry:
 

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It's not a nitpick, you just aren't familiar with that area of politics, there's a distinct difference between left and liberal, using left as a catch-all term when describing specific policies and politicians is unheard of.:heh:

'Blacks' :mjpls: in the US have always had a more left leaning tradition than the rest of the country, most of the highly respected mid-century civil rights leaders were invested in organized labor and some even sympathetic to Socialism. That's why the difference matters, sure one party is DOA, but when it comes to the democratic party, Black voters have always been instrumental in pushing the party left. Speaking to your links, neoliberalism is the cause for tensions surrounding immigration and charter schools, abortion and gay marriage double as religious issues, your argument doesn't cut it, most Black Americans are not conservative.
What term would you suggest as a catch all for those left of center?:patrice:Because I really don’t care about the distinctions.
…our duopoly renders most of it meaningless.


As for black leanings I think we are speaking past each other a bit, with me pointing to social issues, and you pointing to economics(socialism).
I'm arguing that historically the black church has dictated our political leanings, and skewed us conservative… but racism forced us to vote blue.

…but shoot me some links to read further on it, I can definitely be wrong.
 

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Were most black people conservative back then? By 1950 standards or even 2020 standards?

I think today's conservatism is very different from yesteryear's conservatism. And even then, black conservatism is different from white conservatism.

Many black people were conservative, but they were coming from the black conservative tradition which still put them at odds with white conservatism.

So it was a complicated relationship.

This is Marjorie Holloman Parker. Her husband was a judge and her son was the first black person admitted into Skulls and Bones at Yale.

Marjorie Holloman Parker, 89, who served as chairman of the University of the District of Columbia Board of Trustees and was an appointed member of the old, pre-home rule D.C. City Council, died of heart disease Jan. 16 at her home in Washington.

Dr. Parker, who for decades was a prominent educator and community leader, was a lifelong Republican. In 1972, President Richard M. Nixon appointed her to succeed another woman, Margaret A. Haywood, on the council.

A former Republican National Committee member, Dr. Parker acknowledged in 1981 that "the Republicans in Congress had a big impact in turning the District Democratic with the prejudiced way they treated the city." Later, in 1988, she praised President George H.W. Bush, saying, "He's been supportive of things I believe in -- education in particular."

Dr. Parker fought for improved public education beginning in 1939, when she was an elementary school teacher at Charles Young and the old James Monroe schools. Her 1973 proposal to turn the city's school board seats from elected ones back into appointed ones was widely condemned, but she argued that the schools needed "the expertise of people not generally chosen in a popular election."

In 1976, just before UDC was created from the District of Columbia Teachers College, Federal City College and the Washington Technical Institute, she was appointed by the mayor to its board of trustees. She fought for a downtown campus at Mount Vernon Square until Congress prevented its construction. When the university was forced to double its tuition in 1980 because of a city budget crisis, she sympathized with students and promised financial aid for those who needed it.

"You've got to remember that even though it is a 100 percent increase, $330 is still a very low tuition for a full undergraduate program," Dr. Parker said at the time.

She was born in Winton, N.C., the daughter of a well-known minister, the Rev. J. L.S. Holloman. The family moved to the District when she was a child, and she graduated from Dunbar High School in 1932 and Miner Teachers College in 1936. She subsequently received a master's degree in 1941 and a doctoral degree in 1951, both from the University of Chicago, in history and philosophy of education.

In 1939, she married Barrington D. Parker Sr., a lawyer who was later appointed to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He died in 1993.

Dr. Parker taught elementary school in the District from 1939 to 1949. She joined the faculty of Miner Teachers College in 1949 and taught there for 10 years before becoming director of student teaching at Bowie State University. In 1965, she returned to the renamed Miner, then called the District of Columbia Teachers College, as a professor of history and philosophy of education. She retired in 1974.
Dr. Parker was national president of her college sorority, Alpha Kappa Alpha, the nation's oldest black sorority, from 1958 to 1962 and wrote a three-volume history of the organization. She was a past director of Washington's Industrial Bank when it was the only bank in Washington owned by African Americans. She was the historian for the National Chapter of the LINKS Inc., chairman of the Hospital for Sick Children and a member and trustee of Second Baptist Church.

The Capital Press Club honored her in 1983 for her lifetime of public service. She was inducted into the D.C. Women's Hall of Fame in 1994. Her 85th birthday was celebrated at Howard University's Blackburn Center.

"I suppose that during the '60s, I would have been a conservative," she told a Washington Post reporter in 1980. "I felt that the NAACP and the Urban League and the traditional civil rights movements were adequately and effectively handling the problems. I think that youth and excitement and impatience and whatnot are sometimes very necessary and invaluable. But in the long run, I think the real gains come from litigation and legislation."

You had folks that were conservative, Republican, but still for black progress, which put them at odds with the direction that the Republican Party was moving.
 

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What is your take on the Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern Community?

Generally, they do not participate in local politics, even though they heavily participate in the business community.

Having said that, Chun Li, Dhalsim, and Rashid are able to conduct business, build wealth, send their kids to good public schools and great colleges - specifically because Black people bled for those rights and continue to bleed for them.

Some of them use those rights to open businesses in "our" neighborhoods, get loans, get contracts enforced, have the cops show up to deal with "undesirables" (Mike Brown/George Floyd...)

I digress

Other non-black/non-white communities are able to use the apparatus of the state without really putting much into the political process.

I very much believe we could do the same. Changing all the kebab places and vape shops to Black Owners would not be the end-all, be-all - but private actors coordinating with Black owned banks - could actually get into the RE Biz/Master* Planned Communities.

*pun intended
I want a functional Black merchant class so bad

And the revival of more tradesmen, artisans and architects
 
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