Bill Laimbeer says "LeBron is the GOAT" (First Take)

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Doesn't make Jordan less of man in my eyes. The tactics the Pistons were using on Mike and the Bulls were not basketball.

It was basketball. He just bytched to the commissioner and got them And the NBA started on the road of softening of the game that you dudes complain about today. It all started there.
 
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im a bron stan, and I would never use this as a source to prop up bron. but then again, I'm not gon lie. that's why we love sports. the browns is trash and them not winning keeps ppl from changing the narrative.

Jordan is the goat. I don't like it, but it's true. why couldn't my generation have the goat? idk. but im not gon sit here and lie to make myself feel better.
People can genuinely have a difference of opinion. Like im a Bron fan and i have him 3rd all time behind MJ and Kareem. People gonna use whatever narrative to fit their position on this. MJ stans gonna use 6 for 6 with 6 finals mvps and Bron stans gonna use top 3 in scoring and top 10 in assists all time. Both all time great players, no need to shyt on 1 to prop the other up. Enjoyed watching MJ greatness while he played and enjoy watching Bron now. People be literally putting all they energy on hating on a all time great to argue for another great player. i use to entertain that shyt with the Kobe Bron stan wars every now and then, shyt was just stupid looking back on it. :mindblown:
 

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Doesn't make Jordan less of man in my eyes. The tactics the Pistons were using on Mike and the Bulls were not basketball.


if you're a man with power and don't use it, you're an idiot. Jordan did nothing wrong. the way I see basketball, if u shooting a shot everybody knows u can't make, u shouldn't get the call if the ref can get away with not giving it to u.

that's what makes officiating great players difficult. everything a defender does that's illegal is stopping a potential basket from the moment the ball is live. its all about setting a precedent if you're a great player or someone defending a great.
 
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It was basketball. He just bytched to the commissioner and got them on the NBA started on the road of softening of the game that you dudes complain about today. It all started there.

That was not basketball. Nothing wrong with hand checking or hard fouls within the rules and context of the game. Imagine NBA losing a few of their superstars to serious injuries because of these tactics. He did not bytch up, because he did not run and beat them straight up. They had to downright assault this dude and his team to keep them in check because they knew Mike and the Bulls were a legitimate threat.
 

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People can genuinely have a difference of opinion. Like im a Bron fan and i have him 3rd all time behind MJ and Kareem. People gonna use whatever narrative to fit their position on this. MJ stans gonna use 6 for 6 with 6 finals mvps and Bron stans gonna use top 3 in scoring and top 10 in assists all time. Both all time great players, no need to shyt on 1 to prop the other up. Enjoyed watching MJ greatness while he played and enjoy watching Bron now. People be literally putting all they energy on hating on a all time great to argue for another great player. i use to entertain that shyt with the Kobe Bron stan wars every now and then, shyt was just stupid looking back on it. :mindblown:


I don't see how u can use individual stats. personally, I can't separate a baller from the team, even in individual sports cause they still have a team. if Jordan doesn't have the right pieces, he's simply not the greatest.

I believe things out of the control of the individual contribute to them being the greatest.

I don't have popular opinions. like I don't put an asterisk on kd's rings. ppl who never pushed their bodies to the limit don't appreciate what players go thru playing into June.

if u come away from that as a champion, I respect it. I can now only compare u to other champions. kd cannot lead a team by himself, and he also cannot beat bron without doing what he did up to this point in his career. I think this is clear as day and I respect kd for being honest with himself.

I never forget when a nikka beats me in a game of hoops. if there's a gap in skill or teams, I acknowledge that. it doesn't have to be that way forever, but deal with the moment.

something such as egos being put aside and ppl teaming up could have put a dent in MJ's legacy, but it didn't.

ppl learned from Jordan's era, and the future generation adjusted. can't blame Jordan because greatness didn't adjust with this new mindset.

why didn't reggie go to the Knicks? other ppl are to blame as to why one person ends up being the greatest.

kd made a decision to make sure bron couldn't get close to Jordan. I understand why ppl hate him for it, but again, I respect him for doing what he felt he had to do.

to this day, kd's name would be closer to Melo's if he didn't get ringed up.
 
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if you're a man with power and don't use it, you're an idiot. Jordan did nothing wrong. the way I see basketball, if u shooting a shot everybody knows u can't make, u shouldn't get the call if the ref can get away with not giving it to u.

that's what makes officiating great players difficult. everything a defender does that's illegal is stopping a potential basket from the moment the ball is live. its all about setting a precedent if you're a great player or someone defending a great.

Pistons possessed all the power before he spoke up. If you have a kid getting bullied at school against dudes he don't stand a chance against, then what would you want him to do? Is he a bytch if he speaks up?
 

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I don't see how u can use individual stats. personally, I can't separate a baller from the team, even in individual sports cause they still have a team. if Jordan doesn't have the right pieces, he's simply not the greatest.

I believe things out of the control of the individual contribute to them being the greatest.

I don't have popular opinions. like I don't put an asterisk on kd's rings. ppl who never pushed their bodies to the limit don't appreciate what players go thru playing into June.

if u come away from that as a champion, I respect it. I can now only compare u to other champions. kd cannot lead a team by himself, and he also cannot beat bron without doing what he did up to this point in his career. I think this is clear as day and I respect kd for being honest with himself.

I never forget when a nikka beats me in a game of hoops. if there's a gap in skill or teams, I acknowledge that. it doesn't have to be that way forever, but deal with the moment.

something such as egos being put aside and ppl teaming up could have put a dent in MJ's legacy, but it didn't.

ppl learned from Jordan's era, and the future generation adjusted. can't blame Jordan because greatness didn't adjust with this new mindset.

why didn't reggie go to the Knicks? other ppl are to blame as to why one person ends up being the greatest.

kd made a decision to make sure bron couldn't get close to Jordan. I understand why ppl hate him for it, but again, I respect him for doing what he felt he had to do.

to this day, kd's name would be closer to Melo's if he didn't get ringed up.
All valid points :obama:, what your thoughts on Bill Russell and where you have him amongst your all time greats?
 

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All valid points :obama:, what your thoughts on Bill Russell and where you have him amongst your all time greats?


I separate his era from the modern era. but im not running from your underlying point. greats are just greats. the comparisons, imo are for our own eyes and experiences.

but when its all said and done, im gonna take the feelings from the game I love and use them to frame how important the contributions of those before us are.

but if im being petty, bill was literally ballin against plumbers :mjlol: are u really taking his game and saying he'd get those same 10 in a different era? :skip:

again, I respect him as a great because the stakes were the same. ppl loved the game just as much. it was around the time cacs realized if they kept excluding nikkas, then them rings had just as much importance as championship belts in wrestling, and even worse, it would generate half the revenue knowing the best in the world wasn't present. without helping bring the truth to light, there's no Jordan or Bron.

I don't think observable greatness existed in basketball before bill and wilt. but I think we have to distinguish the first from the best, because imo, both are equally important.

seeing something for the first time and seeing something done the best it has ever been done give us pretty much the same feeling
 

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That was not basketball. Nothing wrong with hand checking or hard fouls within the rules and context of the game. Imagine NBA losing a few of their superstars to serious injuries because of these tactics. He did not bytch up, because he did not run and beat them straight up. They had to downright assault this dude and his team to keep them in check because they knew Mike and the Bulls were a legitimate threat.
Why are you acting like the Pistons developed tough defense to beat the Bulls as if they didn't run that defensive scheme on literally every team in the league?
 

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That was not basketball. Nothing wrong with hand checking or hard fouls within the rules and context of the game. Imagine NBA losing a few of their superstars to serious injuries because of these tactics. He did not bytch up, because he did not run and beat them straight up. They had to downright assault this dude and his team to keep them in check because they knew Mike and the Bulls were a legitimate threat.
It was basketball. It was THEIR BRAND of basketball. Today, like in hip hop, everyone plays the same which is why the game is repetitive.

since his bytching, the NBA has legistlated the game to be softer and softer, but dumb ass NBA fans blame the players and not the execs who changed shyt.

he bytched about it. Game got soft
 

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Why are you acting like the Pistons developed tough defense to beat the Bulls as if they didn't run that defensive scheme on literally every team in the league?
And won ships with it as a result.

dudes just want to give MJ a pass for bytching to the commissioner. All while being the same ones patting MJ on the back for being an a$$hole teammate and that other players should accept his behavior because it got ships.

The irony.
 
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Why are you acting like the Pistons developed tough defense to beat the Bulls as if they didn't run that defensive scheme on literally every team in the league?

They ran it on every team, but they went a little more extra for Mike. Its literally why they made their own rules for him called the Jordan Rules. What other player in the league did they do that for?
 
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And won ships with it as a result.

dudes just want to give MJ a pass for bytching to the commissioner. All while being the same ones patting MJ on the back for being an a$$hole teammate and that other players should accept his behavior because it got ships.

The irony.

No one said MJ's way was perfect, but he was not trying to hurt his teammates or opponents physically on the court to have an edge against them. Detroit got exposed because they could not win anymore without those cheap tactics. Its basketball, not wrestling.
 
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