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Big Pimpin’, Spendin’ Cheese: How Rappers Like Jay-Z Help Keep You in Poverty
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black man just can't win. the real thugs bringing the country down can't be exposed cause they have media connects. an article on them would get people in the media fired.Hov da gawd
jay-z who has no real power, wealth or connects is put out there for the wolves to eat...
Brown_Pride
All Star
Agree 100%Pretend hiphop and consumerism have nothing to do with each other brehs.
Maybe your idea of a "hiphop nation" is something else entirely, but the truth is that (modern) hiphop in general tends to promote consumerism.
I basically agree, none of this stuff is specifically endemic to hiphop, but I still think it can have a negative influence on some people.
And I don't even really mean that somebody is going to go shoot somebody because they listened to a song or something, but to a certain extent hiphop trends do influence how people spend their money and that kind of thing.
I'll add that in place of what COULD HAVE BEEN an medium for self reflection, reform and growth we now have the opposite. NO GOOD comes from hip hop anymore, whereas there could have been some good coming from it had it not been taken over as a means to sell shirts, shoes and fantasy.
*waiting patiently for black people to come out with a new kind of music now that hip hop has been officially taken over*
i dnt know whether or not to dap thisblack man just can't win. the real thugs bringing the country down can't be exposed cause they have media connects. an article on them would get people in the media fired.
jay-z who has no real power, wealth or connects is put out there for the wolves to eat...
Insensitive
Superstar
Agree 100%
I'll add that in place of what COULD HAVE BEEN an medium for self reflection, reform and growth we now have the opposite. NO GOOD comes from hip hop anymore, whereas there could have been some good coming from it had it not been taken over as a means to sell shirts, shoes and fantasy.
*waiting patiently for black people to come out with a new kind of music now that hip hop has been officially taken over*
No self reflection or artistic
growth from any of these artists.
They're a bunch of regular Juicy J's
and Gucci Mane's
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
No self reflection or artistic
growth from any of these artists.
They're a bunch of regular Juicy J's
and Gucci Mane's
actually no, i do not see much artistic growth in any of these artists, first of all their music is filled with profanity, i think they are trying to be profound and deep, and i give them props for that, but there is a limit to how deep and profound you can get when your songs are just basically you saying bytch, nikka, shyt, fuk with some supposedly deep thoughts as a filler
the fact that 90 percent of rappers do not have the ability to create a rap song without profanity is one of the biggest roadblocks to the artistic expansion of hip hop culture
the other point is not really their fault, but overall rap is old, pretty much everything that needed to be said has been said already
wale, kendrick and j cole are decent rappers (not great, just decent, they are only great compared to the aforementioned juicy j and gucci mane) but they dont say anything that hasnt been said before, its not their fault but they are just living in the shadows and aftermath of the glory days of rap music
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theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
and for the record, for those that just glanced at the title and didint actually read the title or the article, the article isnt saying that jay-z in particular is keeping people poor, in fact the title says "how rappers LIKE Jay-z", in other words Jay-z is just emblematic of the rap industry
the article goes on to discuss financial literacy and how financial illiteracy keeps people poor and its not saying this is the exclusive thing that that keeps people poor, its just saying its one of the factors, a lot of people can increase their wealth simply by becoming financially literate even with white racism or negative economic factors around you
the article goes on to discuss financial literacy and how financial illiteracy keeps people poor and its not saying this is the exclusive thing that that keeps people poor, its just saying its one of the factors, a lot of people can increase their wealth simply by becoming financially literate even with white racism or negative economic factors around you
He should be rapping with a turban...Hov da gawd
Insensitive
Superstar
1. Profanity has a place in music just like violence has a place in film.
The fact that it might offend or alienate people doesn't inherently limit
an artists ability to be "deep" or say something "profound".
Marvin Gaye's one of my favorite artists and he's used words like "bytch"
before, I mean this is a guy who typically played with double meanings to get his
more explicit music on to radio, similar to prince who always used provocative
sexual imagery to sell himself, yet he's still praised as a legend.
This same guy (prince) used things that could be considered "profane" in his lyricism,
he has lyrics about giving/getting head or women walking around with used condoms
in their pocket. This goes without mentioning other R&B or FUNK acts that
pushed the limits of what was acceptable before the creation of Hip Hop.
2. Your second point about the age of Hip Hop was dumb.
The age of a genre has no bearing on whether or not artists can create
great works.
3. That's your personal opinion on whether or not they're great. I think they're good artists,
you disagree, that means fukk all to my original point. These artists DO NOT fit the
stereotype of the ignorant, unintelligible rapper that's typically presented by some
who oddly frequent a Hip Hop message board.
You have your own gripes with Hip Hop and frankly it's obvious you don't like it
I also find your using "Hip Hop Nation" as a euphemism for "Black People" to be just
as condescending,ridiculous and funnily enough similar to the white people you always
find yourself criticizing.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
1. Profanity has a place in music just like violence has a place in film.
The fact that it might offend or alienate people doesn't inherently limit
an artists ability to be "deep" or say something "profound".
Marvin Gaye's one of my favorite artists and he's used words like "bytch"
before, I mean this is a guy who typically played with double meanings to get his
more explicit music on to radio, similar to prince who always used provocative
sexual imagery to sell himself, yet he's still praised as a legend.
This same guy (prince) used things that could be considered "profane" in his lyricism,
he has lyrics about giving/getting head or women walking around with used condoms
in their pocket. This goes without mentioning other R&B or FUNK acts that
pushed the limits of what was acceptable before the creation of Hip Hop.
2. Your second point about the age of Hip Hop was dumb.
The age of a genre has no bearing on whether or not artists can create
great works.
3. That's your personal opinion on whether or not they're great. I think they're good artists,
you disagree, that means fukk all to my original point. These artists DO NOT fit the
stereotype of the ignorant, unintelligible rapper that's typically presented by some
who oddly frequent a Hip Hop message board.
You have your own gripes with Hip Hop and frankly it's obvious you don't like it
I also find your using "Hip Hop Nation" as a euphemism for "Black People" to be just
as condescending,ridiculous funnily enough very similar to the white people you always
find yourself criticizing.
1. i totally agree that profanity has a place in music and in art for that matter, i never even said its wrong to use profanity, and it doesn't inherently limit the artists ability to say something profound
what i said is that 90 percent of rappers do not have the ability to create a song without profanity, that is what limits the creative growth of rappers
its not the use of profanity that limits creativity its the requirement that it be used in a rap music that limits the creativity of rap music
post me a jcole, wale, or kendrick song that doesnt use the word bytch, nikka, fuk or shyt? you cant find it, today if you want to be a rapper you have to use profanity but the problem is there is limit to how far you can go creatively and subject wise with that corner that rap has painted itself into
2. actually it does matter a whole lot, everything has a cycle, for example there are a lot great blues, classical, rock and jazz music being created today but will they ever top the masters???...no, rap music will and i believe it is entering that phase that other genres of music have entered to
wale, jcole and kendrick will never top jay-z, nas and tupac, anybody that believes they can is delusional, that is not a commenton their artistic ability its just an observation of the usual course of things
3. i never said anything about ignorant unintelligible rappers so i dont know what you are talking about, in fact my main criticism is to the knowledgeable, intelligible rappers like jay-z, jcole, wale and kendrick
4. im a disciple of KRS-One, "hip hop nation" is the way we talk, its not a euphemism for black people per se, its a euphemism for the ghetto which sometimes includes non black people, but yeah it does usually refer to black people
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Yea I read it, it also talks about consumerism and I pointed out how jay z actually has a lot of good advice in his lyrics but people don't seem to learn from them. If you listen to jay z then you should definitely know that he encourages people to be financially literate and understand the value of business.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
who told you that rap lyrics have to be driven by profanity and foul language, jimmy iovine? russel simmons? mr knowles?
like i said im a disciple of KRS, ive been informed by him that you are welcome to use profanity in rap, but that is certainly not a definition of rap, you are welcome not to use it also and when you use it it should be as part of an artistic point
the widespread and constant use of profanity and other things in rap is mostly driven by the need to entertain white people, the white consumers of rap enjoy the cursing they find it entertaining and rappers and their management and labels like to satisfy their customers
and jay-z doesnt promote financial literacy, stop the bullshyt
Insensitive
Superstar
1. I think you pretty clearly implied that profanity was artistically limiting and
thus rappers are not artistic because of their use of profanity. That's why I brought
up sexuality in R&B and Funk because many classic songs are highly sexual
and to the point they might even be considered "profane",
Some songs are so obvious a person would have to be completely numb to metaphor
or slang for them miss the artists intent.
With that said I don't see why I need to post a song which doesn't have profanity,
when you, yourself just stated that profanity isn't a bad thing.
2. That's your opinion, people feel Metallica and The Beatles, two bands
that are considered greats in their respective genres will never be topped that doesn't
mean it's FACT.
3. You never said it, IN THIS THREAD, but you've said it in others, there is no
point in denying that this is apart of your general stance on Hip Hop Music.
4. That's interesting because whenever you say "Hip Hop Nation" it's typically
in threads addressing the entire black community, which contradicts the definition
you've laid out here.
DStyles
Vegan
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who told you that rap lyrics have to be driven by profanity and foul language, jimmy iovine? russel simmons? mr knowles?
like i said im a disciple of KRS, ive been informed by him that you are welcome to use profanity in rap, but that is certainly not a definition of rap, you are welcome not to use it also and when you use it it should be as part of an artistic point
the widespread and constant use of profanity and other things in rap is mostly driven by the need to entertain white people, the white consumers of rap enjoy the cursing they find it entertaining and rappers and their management and labels like to satisfy their customers
and jay-z doesnt promote financial literacy, stop the bullshyt
I edited my post after you quoted me since I didn't want to start this argument with you because I already know where it's going to go and it's unnecessary to do that again. I hope you didn't catch it but
I don't know about your surrounding but I use foul language all the time when I'm around my friends etc. Kendrick, J.Cole, Drake etc are all around my age so I can understand their usage as genuine. I don't see how you can view rap as anything other than a form of entertainment?
Profanity was around since the late 80's, before white people even became the majority consumers of hip hop.