Big Pimpin’, Spendin’ Cheese: How Rappers Like Jay-Z Help Keep You in Poverty

[theworldismine13]

That's your moral stance I don't find profanity to be a "bad thing"
as many others do not, so it's a weak point either way.
Also my point in bringing up their lyrics wasn't to focus on sexuality,
it was to focus on those lyrics veering into the profane and the potential
alienating of consumers, to counter what you stated in your post
about profanity and how it could affect musics "classic" status.
Which is a point that's further weakened in your propping up of Pac, Jigga
and Nas.

but i already explained that its not my moral stance, or that profanity is a bad thing, i said that the use of profanity limits creativity

i never said anything about alienating customers, what i said is that the use of profanity attracts customers, because the customer is basically the white mainstream audience, and that audience finds profanity entertaining

i think its fine to talk about sexuality, but if you listen to wale, cole or kendrick talk about sexuality it inevitably devolves into something to do with nikkas and bytches and other profanity and IMO that limited vocabulary limits how creatively they can make songs discussing sexuality or any other subject for that matter

Which is a point that's further weakened in your propping up of Pac, Jigga
and Nas.

im not propping them up, its more that im acknowledging their status

im just saying that a lot of things that wale, cole and kendrick are trying to do and say have already been done by tupac, jay-z and nas, that is why they are not groundbreaking

i never said they suk or cant rap, i just think they are plateauing in terms of rap music

Logical Fallacy :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

im not really in touch with the rap music streets i know for a minute there was a lil wayne is the greatest rapper movement

but does anybody that is knee deep in the rap world and in their right mind actually think that cole, wale and kendrick>>>>>>>>tupac, jayz and nas

i respect anybody that does think that cuz its a free country but as far as i know, aside from troll posts in the booth and members of the lil wayne is the greatest rapper movement, i think the majority opinion is that its the other way around, it doesnt mean its a fact but it does mean its a general consensus

I'm not putting ANY words in your mouth

yes you were, you were trying to say that i was trying to portray rap music as just juicy j and gucci mane when i never even mentioned them

It's good you aren't denying this, to do so would be pointless
There are too many examples of you relating "Black People " and "Hip Hop" as being
one in the same, ignoring that Black people are diverse.
You can't on one hand say "It's just poor black people I'm talking about.."
then on the other say "Well I'm talking abut the development of blacks as a
whole !" (which you do often )

why would a deny it, it is true that i use black people and hip hop nation interchangeably, if you find that offensive you have my deepest and sincerest apology

 

[Insensitive]

but i already explained that its not my moral stance, or that profanity is a bad thing, i said that the use of profanity limits creativity

i never said anything about alienating customers, what i said is that the use of profanity attracts customers, because the customer is basically the white mainstream audience, and that audience finds profanity entertaining

i think its fine to talk about sexuality, but if you listen to wale, cole or kendrick talk about sexuality it inevitably devolves into something to do with nikkas and bytches and other profanity and IMO that limited vocabulary limits how creatively they can make songs discussing sexuality or any other subject for that matter



im not propping them up, its more that im acknowledging their status

im just saying that a lot of things that wale, cole and kendrick are trying to do and say have already been done by tupac, jay-z and nas, that is why they are not groundbreaking

i never said they suk or cant rap, i just think they are plateauing in terms of rap music



im not really in touch with the rap music streets i know for a minute there was a lil wayne is the greatest rapper movement

but does anybody that is knee deep in the rap world and in their right mind actually think that cole, wale and kendrick>>>>>>>>tupac, jayz and nas

i respect anybody that does think that cuz its a free country but as far as i know, aside from troll posts in the booth and members of the lil wayne is the greatest rapper movement, i think the majority opinion is that its the other way around, it doesnt mean its a fact but it does mean its a general consensus



yes you were, you were trying to say that i was trying to portray rap music as just juicy j and gucci mane when i never even mentioned them



why would a deny it, it is true that i use black people and hip hop nation interchangeably, if you find that offensive you have my deepest and sincerest apology

1. Whatever
And I think you struggle with the meanings of profane and profanity,
otherwise I don't think my post would've went over your head.

2. Moot point, you don't like rap anyway so I don't see the point in arguing
who you think is better.


3. Actually...no that wasn't my point at all.
Reread my post
You've basically stated and have stated numerous times before
that rappers are ignorant and make ignorant music even in this very thread
you've already stated several times that they have "limited vocab" and
"limited ability to be artistic", I disagree.


4. I'm not offended, I just think it's dumb
And you contradicted yourself, you literally
just said the opposite a page or two ago :

Im a disciple of KRS-One, "hip hop nation" is the way we talk, its not a euphemism for black people per se, its a euphemism for the ghetto which sometimes includes non black people, but yeah it does usually refer to black people

why would a deny it, it is true that i use black people and hip hop nation interchangeably, if you find that offensive you have my deepest and sincerest apology

I'm guessing all blacks take part in this "Hip Hop Nation" (unbeknownst to those
who reject Hip Hop entirely...) which apparently resides in the ghetto
or is it that Black people who don't reside in the ghetto, are just "ghetto" by nature ?
or are "Ghetto Blacks" so dumb that they need someone to christen himself
the arbiter for "Black Superiority" and to bestow upon himself the difficult task of fostering their "intellectual development" ?
Because they're obviously financial and literal illiterates who rely on "White People" to achieve anything

It looks bad when the only thing you seem to be able to relate "Black People" to is ignorance
or poverty or some other damaging stereotype.
Anyways I don't care to continue this because I already know where you stand

 

[kermit da hustla]

most americans, whites included, are poor thanks to bad budgeting and extreme consumerism. this isn't just something limited to black people. the majority of americans, including those who earn six figures, are living paycheck to paycheck.

but try to frame it as a black problem and paint hip-hop as the cause.

 

[theworldismine13]

1. Whatever
And I think you struggle with the meanings of profane and profanity,
otherwise I don't think my post would've went over your head.

2. Moot point, you don't like rap anyway so I don't see the point in arguing
who you think is better.


3. Actually...no that wasn't my point at all.
Reread my post
You've basically stated and have stated numerous times before
that rappers are ignorant and make ignorant music even in this very thread
you've already stated several times that they have "limited vocab" and
"limited ability to be artistic", I disagree.


4. I'm not offended, I just think it's dumb
And you contradicted yourself, you literally
just said the opposite a page or two ago :





I'm guessing all blacks take part in this "Hip Hop Nation" (unbeknownst to those
who reject Hip Hop entirely...) which apparently resides in the ghetto
or is it that Black people who don't reside in the ghetto, are just "ghetto" by nature ?
or are "Ghetto Blacks" so dumb that they need someone to christen himself
the arbiter for "Black Superiority" and to bestow upon himself the difficult task of fostering their "intellectual development" ?
Because they're obviously financial and literal illiterates who rely on "White People" to achieve anything

It looks bad when the only thing you seem to be able to relate "Black People" to is ignorance
or poverty or some other damaging stereotype.
Anyways I don't care to continue this because I already know where you stand

1. i do know the difference between profance and profanity, and what i was talking about was profanity in rap music, i never said anything about something being profane or anything about morality or sexuality or even violence, i simply said that the constant and required use of profanity stifles the creativity of rap artists, that is all i said, nothing else

2. true i dont listen to it, but like i said, i think the general consensus as far as i know is that nas, jay-z and tupac>>>> cole, wale and kendrick

but since you are more in touch with rap music feel free to correct me if im wrong

4. yeah i have stated that the limited vocabulary stifles rapper's creativity, you assumed i was talking about juicy j and gucci mane, then you posted youtube videos of cole, wale and kendrick but those are the type of artist who i think are limited by the use of profanity

its self evident that juicy j and gucci mane are limited, so i dont think i have to say it, but i think even lyrically skilled rappers are limited too so its more referring to them because unless you really think about it and analyze it its not obvious that they are limited creatively by their use of profanity

5. how is it a contradiction, in both statements i acknowledge that hip hop nation means black people for all intents and purposes but i also acknowledge that there are people in hip hop that are not black

the black people that dont participate in hip hop are irrelevant to any points im making but i apologize to them for including them

i cant even follow the other stuff you posted, but just to clarify hip hop is not ignorant, that is why i think its important to define hip hop as 9 elements and why i posted the definition of hip hop by KRS One

True Hip Hop is a term that describes the independent collective consciousness of a specific group of inner-city people. Ever growing, it is commonly expressed through such elements as: Breakin’, Emceein’, Grafiti art, Dee Jayin’ Beatboxin’, Street Fashion, Street Language, Street Knowledge and Street Entrepreneurialism. Hiphop is not just music and dance, nor is Hip Hop a product to be bought and sold. Discovered by Kool DJ Herc in the Bronx, New York around 1972, and established as a community of peace, love, unity and having fun by Afrika Bambaataa through the Zulu Nation in 1974, Hip Hop is an independent and unique community, an empowering behavior, and an international culture.”

as you can see one of the elements of hip hop is knowledge and my argument is that the commercialization of the rap element of hip hop has overshadowed the knowledge element and other aspects of hip hop culture (ie black culture)

all im doing is pushing the knowledge element of hip hop to its proper position in hip hop culture (ie black culture), pushing the knowledge element into its proper prominence in hip hop is the key bringing about the intellectual development of the hip hop nation (ie black culture)

 

[Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson]

 

[DEAD7]

 

[TLOL is back]

I was working at an all-female juvenile detention center. Teenage girls were basically in there for numerous violations of the law. I went with my school on a mentoring program.

We did an exercise with them. They had to list their wants on one side of the page, and their needs on another side of the page.

Needs: Jordans

Wants: Family

 

[Wild self]

I was working at an all-female juvenile detention center. Teenage girls were basically in there for numerous violations of the law. I went with my school on a mentoring program.

We did an exercise with them. They had to list their wants on one side of the page, and their needs on another side of the page.

Needs: Jordans

Wants: Family

Placing Jordans on top of your family?

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

why are people blaming Hov' for poverty?

this is the most asinine shyt i've ever heard.