Big Pimpin’, Spendin’ Cheese: How Rappers Like Jay-Z Help Keep You in Poverty

[theworldismine13]

1. I think you pretty clearly implied that profanity was artistically limiting and
thus rappers are not artistic because of their use of profanity. That's why I brought
up sexuality in R&B and Funk because many classic songs are highly sexual
and to the point they might even be considered "profane",
Some songs are so obvious a person would have to be completely numb to metaphor
or slang for them miss the artists intent.
With that said I don't see why I need to post a song which doesn't have profanity,
when you, yourself just stated that profanity isn't a bad thing.

2. That's your opinion, people feel Metallica and The Beatles, two bands
that are considered greats in their respective genres will never be topped that doesn't
mean it's FACT.

3. You never said it, IN THIS THREAD, but you've said it in others, there is no
point in denying that this is apart of your general stance on Hip Hop Music.

4. That's interesting because whenever you say "Hip Hop Nation" it's typically
in threads addressing the entire black community, which contradicts the definition
you've laid out here.

1. i didnt imply anything, i said it directly that rappers do not have the ability to create a song without using profanity and that limits their creativity, thats all i said

you took that to mean something else

and again, the point is not that profanity is bad, its the requirement to use profanity that is bad

and you cant post any cole, wale or kendrick song that doesnt use fuk, shyt, nikka, bytch, because they dont exist, you dont have to waste time searching for something that doesnt exist, i was just making a point,

i never said anything about sexuality in art, and i dont have any comment on it

2. ok sure, its just an opinion held by the majority of people but you are free to have your own opinion

3. breh, when you are planning an attack you attack the the brain/hq/center first, and secondly dont try to put words in my mouth

4. yeah i just said that it can include non black people but mostly it refers to black people, i wasnt denying that it refers to mostly black people, to me hip hop is a black culture, its just an improved black culture

 

[theworldismine13]

I edited my post after you quoted me since I didn't want to start this argument with you because I already know where it's going to go and it's unnecessary to do that again. I hope you didn't catch it but

I don't know about your surrounding but I use foul language all the time when I'm around my friends etc. Kendrick, J.Cole, Drake etc are all around my age so I can understand their usage as genuine. I don't see how you can view rap as anything other than a form of entertainment?

Profanity was around since the late 80's, before white people even became the majority consumers of hip hop.

i dont see what anything you said has to do with what im saying

i use profanity all the time....and?

my point about profanity is not a moral one, my point is about creativity, my point is that once you include fuk, bytch, shyt, nikka in your song there is a creative limit and a box that you put yourself into, now if its a particular artist, that's fine, but in rap you have an entire genre of music that cannot go outside of the bytch, fuk, shyt, nikka box, its an artistic dead end imo

i think its just part of the end of rap music as a creative force tho, there is not much that can be done about it, luckily rap music is only one element of hip hop, so hip hop will survive in other forms, personally, i think its better if the rap industry would jump off a cliff and we can start something new

and actually profanity did not become prevalent until the 90's, NWA got the boll rolling and it exploded in the 90's, during the 90's profanity and all sorts negative things that the general public found entertaining became requirements

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

i dont see what anything you said has to do with what im saying

i use profanity all the time....and?

my point about profanity is not a moral one, my point is about creativity, my point is that once you include fuk, bytch, shyt, nikka in your song there is a creative limit and a box that you put yourself into, now if its a particular artist, that's fine, but in rap you have an entire genre of music that cannot go outside of the bytch, fuk, shyt, nikka box, its an artistic dead end imo

i think its just part of the end of rap music as a creative force tho, there is not much that can be done about it, luckily rap music is only one element of hip hop, so hip hop will survive in other forms, personally, i think its better if the rap industry would jump off a cliff and we can start something new

and actually profanity did not become prevalent until the 90's, NWA got the boll rolling and it exploded in the 90's, during the 90's profanity and all sorts negative things that the general public found entertaining became requirements

Sorry I read it wrong, I thought it was a moral dilemma for you. Even creativity, how does the profanity by cole, kendrick etc limit their writing efforts? They're far from the artists that use it excessively.

Also, Will Smith came out and said that he doesn't even use profanity and he sold a lot of records. There's nothing stopping artists who dislike profanity to come into hip hop and not be successful. I don't think hip hop as a creative force has lost it's touch, it's just that profanity isn't a big factor in creative decisions.

 

[theworldismine13]

Sorry I read it wrong, I thought it was a moral dilemma for you. Even creativity, how does the profanity by cole, kendrick etc limit their writing efforts? They're far from the artists that use it excessively.

Also, Will Smith came out and said that he doesn't even use profanity and he sold a lot of records. There's nothing stopping artists who dislike profanity to come into hip hop and not be successful. I don't think hip hop as a creative force has lost it's touch, it's just that profanity isn't a big factor in creative decisions.

actually they all use profanity excessively, maybe you just dont pay attention

will smith was disowned by the rap industry for his comments, and i regret being part of that anti will smith backlash, i let jimmy iovine and russel simmons lead me and lead black people toward a stupid definition of rap and an artistic dead end and and now i look back and realize he was right

it limits their writing efforts because 90 percent of their songs is about bytches and nikkas, how many songs can you write about bytches and nikkas before it gets stale?

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

actually they all use profanity excessively, maybe you just dont pay attention

will smith was disowned by the rap industry for his comments, and i regret being part of that anti will smith backlash, i let jimmy iovine and russel simmons lead me and lead black people toward a stupid definition of rap and an artistic dead end and and now i look back and realize he was right

it limits their writing efforts because 90 percent of their songs is about bytches and nikkas, how many songs can you write about bytches and nikkas before it gets stale?

There wasn't a single song on Kendrick's album that was about nikkas and bytches

 

[theworldismine13]

There wasn't a single song on Kendrick's album that was about nikkas and bytches

really lol, did we listen to the same album?

i think all 3 of them, wale, cole, kendrick have tried to be deep and creative and its a good effort but overall their songs are about nikkas and bytches, that is the overall vibe of their albums mostly because those are the words they use in every song so even when they try to go deep they end up talking about about nikkas and bytches

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

really lol, did we listen to the same album?

i think all 3 of them, wale, cole, kendrick have tried to be deep and creative and its a good effort but overall their songs are about nikkas and bytches, that is the overall vibe of their albums mostly because those are the words they use in every song so even when they try to go deep they end up talking about about nikkas and bytches

TWISM are u serious? it's an concept album to display the destructive social structure, community mishaps, and personal tragedies common to people living in the city. It is also filled with metaphors and similes that I'm still trying to figure out. If you feel that the album was only about bytches and nikkas then I feel sorry for you.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

TWISM are u serious? it's an concept album to display the destructive social structure, community mishaps, and personal tragedies common to people living in the city. It is also filled with metaphors and similes that I'm still trying to figure out. If you feel that the album was only about bytches and nikkas then I feel sorry for you.

This pretty much why I disregard his posts about hip hop

 

[theworldismine13]

TWISM are u serious? it's an concept album to display the destructive social structure, community mishaps and personal tragedies of the city he grew up in. Also filled with metaphors and similes that I'm still trying to figure out. If you feel that the album was only about bytches and nikkas then I feel sorry for you.

i got what he's tried to do and i give him props for that, but i think the album represents the creative limits of current rap for the aforementioned reasons

 

[Marvel]

Jay z doesnt keep anyone in poverty, White Supremacists do. He has No power.

As much as I have enjoyed some of Jay-Z's music....he plays a role in the system of white supremacy...although an indirect role. You always have to pay attention to what black people are being pushed by the media and ask why. Especially black musicians ,black politicians, and black people In the media. We need to realize that this is a complex game.

 

[Crakface]

As much as I have enjoyed some of Jay-Z's music....he plays a role in the system of white supremacy...although an indirect role. You always have to pay attention to what black people are being pushed by the media and why. Especially musicians , politicians, and people In the media. We need to realize that this is a complex game.

There are a lot of pawns in this game and hes one of them. Still a fish stinks at the head and his orders come from the top. Jay z is only allowed to maneuver in certain ways on the board. He tried to open a 30 million dollar hotel and them white folks played that nikka the fukk out, And took his money.

 

[Insensitive]

1. i didnt imply anything, i said it directly that rappers do not have the ability to create a song without using profanity and that limits their creativity, thats all i said

you took that to mean something else

and again, the point is not that profanity is bad, the problem is the requirement to use profanity that is bad

and you cant post any cole, wale or kendrick song that doesnt use fuk, shyt, nikka, bytch, because they dont exist, i was just making that point, you dont really have to waste time searching for something that doesnt exist

i never said anything about sexuality in art, and i dont have any comment on it

That's your moral stance I don't find profanity to be a "bad thing"
as many others do not, so it's a weak point either way.
Also my point in bringing up their lyrics wasn't to focus on sexuality,
it was to focus on those lyrics veering into the profane and the potential
alienating of consumers, to counter what you stated in your post
about profanity and how it could affect musics "classic" status.
Which is a point that's further weakened in your propping up of Pac, Jigga
and Nas.

2. ok sure, its just an opinion held by the majority of people but you are free to have your own opinion

Logical Fallacy :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

3. breh, when you are planning an attack you attack the the brain/hq/center first, and secondly dont try to put words in my mouth

I'm not putting ANY words in your mouth

4. yeah i just said that it can include non black people but mostly it refers to black people, i wasnt denying that it refers to mostly black people, to me hip hop is a black culture, its just an improved black culture

It's good you aren't denying this, to do so would be pointless
There are too many examples of you relating "Black People " and "Hip Hop" as being
one in the same, ignoring that Black people are diverse.
You can't on one hand say "It's just poor black people I'm talking about.."
then on the other say "Well I'm talking abut the development of blacks as a
whole !" (which you do often )

 

[wutang512]

Well I dont buy any of that shyt them rappers be promoting and naming so how are they keeping me broke?

 

[Wild self]

actually they all use profanity excessively, maybe you just dont pay attention

will smith was disowned by the rap industry for his comments, and i regret being part of that anti will smith backlash, i let jimmy iovine and russel simmons lead me and lead black people toward a stupid definition of rap and an artistic dead end and and now i look back and realize he was right

it limits their writing efforts because 90 percent of their songs is about bytches and nikkas, how many songs can you write about bytches and nikkas before it gets stale?

Well, that and Chuck D being forgotten by today's audience.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Jay z 45 years old jumping on Tom Ford's dikk