Awesome counter argument. Detailed and thoughtful.Head in the sand brehs are the worst. This generation is so popped.
You’re going to go far in life breh.
Biden just gave 450,000 illegal migrants work authorization!! WTF are democrats doing and WHY!!??!!
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You’re going to go far in life breh.
How are they getting things done for them without voting?
it's not about them perse, it's about the rest of us. i think legally theres a certain limit or the city can provided services for them and also people who need money to survive in our capitalist society but can't legally work will eventually resort to crime and thats not good for any community. it's a problem many European countries are engineering themselves by not allowing able bodied and educated refugees to work. they ferment the criminality because people need to be able to earn money to support themselves in a capitalist society.
Yall over here talking about a service labor shortage. . . . These people aren't going to be flipping burgers in McDonalds or brining your order at Chilis. There's still a language barrier that a lot of them will have to overcome - which will force them into working very specific jobs.
WetinBeDat
Pro
9 pages and no mention of 'tether'...interesting
Amerikan Melanin
Veteran
I do also. Even if I have to pay more. I love my people.
Exactly, they aren't being brought here to work at Chipotles and Wingstop and if they were, it's stupid because the only way to support them would be to giive them free or low cost housing and a host of other benefits, meaning they will be a COST
People who work these jobs can barely afford to make their car payment, much less pay rent and a host of other expenses.
They are being brought here to work factory jobs, landscaping, mechanics and construction... wouldn't be surprised to really see them deep in the trades to lower the compensation there.
How are they getting things done for them without voting?
"Your not seeing the bigger picture. Give them something now, So that 60 years later they will still vote for us loyally with zero effort/zero tangibles
Undocumented workers are better controlled and do not work for wages the average American would work for. The whole mantra "they do jobs Americans don't do" is just more nonsense propaganda put out by corporations to ensure they have a nice, quiet, slave-like force of workers. Sounds nice but likely isn't the case when you have several factories that flout the law just to hire non-American, undocumented workers to depress wages and increase their coffers.
Uncontrolled capitalism is fast tracking us to fascism.
"Fascism is the wave of the future" by Edward Luttwak. Written in 1994.
(It's a long article, but this part kind of sums up what is happening that led to Trump and will lead to Trump again or a worse version)
Uncontrolled capitalism is fast tracking us to fascism.
"Fascism is the wave of the future" by Edward Luttwak. Written in 1994.
(It's a long article, but this part kind of sums up what is happening that led to Trump and will lead to Trump again or a worse version)
Just in case the sentimental anecdotage is unpersuasive, or seems absurdly disproportionate as compared to the plight of, say, indebted Indian peasants, there are now statistics that quantify the downward slide of the entire population from which the class of middle managers is drawn. The median earnings of all males in the 45-54 age bracket with four years of higher education – some two million Americans, all but 150,000 of them white – actually peaked in 1972 at some $55,000 in 1992 dollars; they stagnated through three downward economic cycles until 1989, before sharply declining to $41,898 by 1992. From other evidence we know that those numbers average out two phenomena that are equally unprecedented in the American experience: in that same population, the combined total income of the top 1 per cent of all earners increased sensationally, and the combined total of the bottom 80 per cent declined sharply. Again, that implies in one way or another a more-than-proportionate quantum of dislocation. Needless to say, individual working lives cannot be dislocated without damaging families, elective affiliations and communities – the entire moss of human relations which can only grow over the stones of economic stability. Finally, it is entirely certain that what has already happened in the United States is happening or will happen in every other advanced economy, because all of them are exposed to the same forces.
In this situation, what does the moderate Right – mainstream US Republicans, British Tories and all their counterparts elsewhere – have to offer? Only more free trade and globalisation, more deregulation and structural change, thus more dislocation of lives and social relations. It is only mildly amusing that nowadays the standard Republican/Tory after-dinner speech is a two-part affair, in which part one celebrates the virtues of unimpeded competition and dynamic structural change, while part two mourns the decline of the family and community ‘values’ that were eroded precisely by the forces commended in part one. Thus at the present time the core of Republican/Tory beliefs is a perfect non-sequitur. And what does the moderate Left have to offer? Only more redistribution, more public assistance, and particularist concern for particular groups that can claim victim status, from the sublime peak of elderly, handicapped, black lesbians down to the merely poor.
Thus neither the moderate Right nor the moderate Left even recognises, let alone offers any solution for, the central problem of our days: the completely unprecedented personal economic insecurity of working people, from industrial workers and white-collar clerks to medium-high managers. None of them are poor and they therefore cannot benefit from the more generous welfare payments that the moderate Left is inclined to offer. Nor are they particularly envious of the rich, and they therefore tend to be uninterested in redistribution. Few of them are actually unemployed, and they are therefore unmoved by Republican/Tory promises of more growth and more jobs through the magic of the unfettered market: what they want is security in the jobs they already have – i.e. precisely what unfettered markets threaten.
A vast political space is thus left vacant by the Republican/Tory non-sequitur, on the one hand, and moderate Left particularism and assistentialism, on the other. That was the space briefly occupied in the USA by the 1992 election-year caprices of Ross Perot, and which Zhirinovsky’s bizarre excesses are now occupying in the peculiar conditions of Russia, where personal economic insecurity is the only problem that counts for most people (former professors of Marxism-Leninism residing in Latvia who have simultaneously lost their jobs, professions and nationalities may be rare, but most Russians still working now face at least the imminent loss of their jobs). And that is the space that remains wide open for a product-improved Fascist party, dedicated to the enhancement of the personal economic security of the broad masses of (mainly) white-collar working people. Such a party could even be as free of racism as Mussolini’s original was until the alliance with Hitler, because its real stock in trade would be corporativist restraints on corporate Darwinism, and delaying if not blocking barriers against globalisation. It is not necessary to know how to spell Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft to recognise the Fascist predisposition engendered by today’s turbocharged capitalism.
In this situation, what does the moderate Right – mainstream US Republicans, British Tories and all their counterparts elsewhere – have to offer? Only more free trade and globalisation, more deregulation and structural change, thus more dislocation of lives and social relations. It is only mildly amusing that nowadays the standard Republican/Tory after-dinner speech is a two-part affair, in which part one celebrates the virtues of unimpeded competition and dynamic structural change, while part two mourns the decline of the family and community ‘values’ that were eroded precisely by the forces commended in part one. Thus at the present time the core of Republican/Tory beliefs is a perfect non-sequitur. And what does the moderate Left have to offer? Only more redistribution, more public assistance, and particularist concern for particular groups that can claim victim status, from the sublime peak of elderly, handicapped, black lesbians down to the merely poor.
Thus neither the moderate Right nor the moderate Left even recognises, let alone offers any solution for, the central problem of our days: the completely unprecedented personal economic insecurity of working people, from industrial workers and white-collar clerks to medium-high managers. None of them are poor and they therefore cannot benefit from the more generous welfare payments that the moderate Left is inclined to offer. Nor are they particularly envious of the rich, and they therefore tend to be uninterested in redistribution. Few of them are actually unemployed, and they are therefore unmoved by Republican/Tory promises of more growth and more jobs through the magic of the unfettered market: what they want is security in the jobs they already have – i.e. precisely what unfettered markets threaten.
A vast political space is thus left vacant by the Republican/Tory non-sequitur, on the one hand, and moderate Left particularism and assistentialism, on the other. That was the space briefly occupied in the USA by the 1992 election-year caprices of Ross Perot, and which Zhirinovsky’s bizarre excesses are now occupying in the peculiar conditions of Russia, where personal economic insecurity is the only problem that counts for most people (former professors of Marxism-Leninism residing in Latvia who have simultaneously lost their jobs, professions and nationalities may be rare, but most Russians still working now face at least the imminent loss of their jobs). And that is the space that remains wide open for a product-improved Fascist party, dedicated to the enhancement of the personal economic security of the broad masses of (mainly) white-collar working people. Such a party could even be as free of racism as Mussolini’s original was until the alliance with Hitler, because its real stock in trade would be corporativist restraints on corporate Darwinism, and delaying if not blocking barriers against globalisation. It is not necessary to know how to spell Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft to recognise the Fascist predisposition engendered by today’s turbocharged capitalism.
Yep. It's crazy to watch these dudes try to passive aggressively call you a bigot.
But when you pay attention, they seem to believe these people moving over here are stupid and incapable of competing for quality jobs. They really think these people are beneath them.
But anyone with any exposure to these groups knows they will be competing for these jobs, by the way, on tax payer money. They'll be educated on tax payer money as well. Most of these people are really smart and really capable. And their kids will definitely be competing for the same jobs as your kids.
And their kids will always have a leg up on yours as they can go set up shop in their parents country and eat if they choose to. Yours can't because their parents are here and there's no easy paths to citizenship like that in most countries for people without immediate blood ties to them.
I swear these head in the sand folks are idiots.
Amerikan Melanin
Veteran
Over 300 minors found working at 3 McDonald's franchisees: Department of Labor
The U.S. Department of Labor fined three McDonald's franchisees after it was revealed that children were working there in violation of federal labor law.
abcnews.go.com
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Sweeping ICE raids in Mississippi’s chicken country opened up jobs for American workers. For some, it’s complicated: ‘It’s like I stole it.’
The aftermath of the ICE raids has forced nonimmigrant workers into a personal reckoning with questions of morality and economic self-interest. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/us/mississippi-ice-raids-poultry-plants.html
www.chicagotribune.com
RickyDiBiase
The Sword of Jesus of Nazareth
oh expect them mass shootings and domestic terrorists attacks to double in the coming years. Them "Replacement Theory" cacs love any justification for their evil.
fukk the jobs. who's competing with them for housing?
and why shouldnt that housing go to citizens that are already here?
I don't know why everyone acts so confused about illegals.
They are here to pick fruit and shyt that Americans won't do. That's the whole reason they have been tolerated so long.
It is now getting out of hand, but that's the root of it.
They kinda have to have a place to live.
It provides a background of someone who does have experience with wage suppression via immigration and allows me to empathize with my blue collar cousins because I already know good and well what rolling out the red carpet for these folks will do and who gets pushed out in the process. This is an issue that impacts Americans at every level and needs reform at every level.
It's gotta be either a complete lack of experience with the topic, or just naivety to even attempt to take a contrary stance on this matter. These migrants are definitely only here as political pawns to suppress wages, undermine labor unions and attempt to build a democratic voter base. It's how they're used by the government on every level. White collar, blue collar, it doesn't matter.
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all these immigrants will have kids who will be Americans at birth
if it was 400,000 kenyans biden would be loading up every jet in america to fly em back