Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18

[DoubleClutch]

Peace bro. Your basketball analogy is the very definition of bias. You just said you’ll never see LeBron as the GOAT, meaning your mind is already made up regardless of whatever new evidence is presented to you.

But anyways, my very first original question was were you born and raised Christian? How were you introduced to the different faiths you studied?

Im not super religious but I’m interested in different religions, same as music, art, sports, history, etc... and I’ve traveled a few places where people randomly come up to me to talk/debate religion (usually not Christians) so that’s how I learn about other peoples faith and viewpoints of Christianity

Not to mention, during quarantine I’d been watching YouTube Hebrew Israelite videos. mainly for the entertainment factor but you can also learn a few things from them

And now thanks to this thread I’m learning about Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic religion

I think that covers all your questions.

But You didn’t understand my analogy. It’s wasn’t necessarily to be taken literally....but I was responding to your question about what religion I grew up in or culture and why it doesn’t matter in the bigger picture

Once you know the truth that’s it. It’s objective truth.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Pretty straight forward. Either it’s true or not. You can choose to believe it or not. That’s a good place to start for anyone.

Side note: Now I understand why MMS only quotes scriptures. Tired or typing

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Im not super religious but I’m interested in different religions, same as music, art, sports, history, etc... and I’ve traveled a few places where people randomly come up to me to talk/debate religion (usually not Christians) so that’s how I learn about other peoples faith and viewpoints of Christianity

Not to mention, during quarantine I’d been watching YouTube Hebrew Israelite videos. mainly for the entertainment factor but you can also learn a few things from them

And now thanks to this thread I’m learning about Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic religion

I think that covers all your questions.

But You didn’t understand my analogy. It’s wasn’t necessarily to be taken literally....but I was responding to your question about what religion I grew up in or culture and why it doesn’t matter in the bigger picture

Once you know the truth that’s it. It’s objective truth.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Pretty straight forward. Either it’s true or not. You can choose to believe it or not. That’s a good place to start for anyone.

Side note: Now I understand why MMS only quotes scriptures. Tired or typing

I appreciate your responses. I’d really appreciate it if you answered my questions though.

Were you born and raised Christian? A simple yes or no would suffice.

You say you watched Hebrew Israelite videos “for the entertainment factor”. So again I’ll ask, have you ever honestly studied or practiced any other religions?

I don’t consider watching YouTube videos for entertainment and having a quick back and forth with MMS openly and honestly studying anything.

Who taught you about Christianity?

 

[MMS]

Im not super religious but I’m interested in different religions, same as music, art, sports, history, etc... and I’ve traveled a few places where people randomly come up to me to talk/debate religion (usually not Christians) so that’s how I learn about other peoples faith and viewpoints of Christianity

Not to mention, during quarantine I’d been watching YouTube Hebrew Israelite videos. mainly for the entertainment factor but you can also learn a few things from them

And now thanks to this thread I’m learning about Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic religion

I think that covers all your questions.

But You didn’t understand my analogy. It’s wasn’t necessarily to be taken literally....but I was responding to your question about what religion I grew up in or culture and why it doesn’t matter in the bigger picture

Once you know the truth that’s it. It’s objective truth.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Pretty straight forward. Either it’s true or not. You can choose to believe it or not. That’s a good place to start for anyone.

Side note: Now I understand why MMS only quotes scriptures. Tired or typing

now in this order:

Pray and Confess to God your sins (all of them; in your own time or to a church father). Truly repent.

Cleanse of unnecessary everything. Analyze how you think and move day to day. Realize all the things you have...have been brought to you by God (your life is declared)

Strengthen your body WITH your mind and your spirit. Realize the kingdom of heaven is within you.

Find Redemption and Salvation when you look backward.

Once you have been declared all you need to do is realize it



Bonus: Speak outloud these words:
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 2 - King James Version

 

[DoubleClutch]

I appreciate your responses. I’d really appreciate it if you answered my questions though.

Were you born and raised Christian? A simple yes or no would suffice.

You say you watched Hebrew Israelite videos “for the entertainment factor”. So again I’ll ask, have you ever honestly studied or practiced any other religions?

I don’t consider watching YouTube videos for entertainment and having a quick back and forth with MMS openly and honestly studying anything.

Who taught you about Christianity?

I keep telling you I wasn’t taught anything

but it’s not about me

you haven’t responded to my last post

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Pretty straight forward. Either it’s true or not. You can choose to believe it or not.

so what do YOU believe? That’s what is important.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

I keep telling you I wasn’t taught anything

but it’s not about me

you haven’t responded to my last post

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Pretty straight forward. Either it’s true or not. You can choose to believe it or not.

so what do YOU believe? That’s what is important.

I’m not sure what you want me to respond to. You didn’t ask any questions.

I’m just trying to dialogue, breh. It seems to me you’re dodging my questions. I still have no clue how you were introduced to Christianity despite your many paragraphs.

I understand though. You’re coming from a place of “belief” and belief is based on doubt. Belief means this thing could be true or false but I choose true. Too many questions can raise doubts which can lead to insecurity, etc. so I understand why you’re dodging.

But if a man never challenges himself, he can never grow.

So I’ll ask it one more time: how were you introduced to Christianity?

 

[Dave24]

@MMS where in the Bible does it say to confess your sins to a church father?

 

[MMS]

@MMS where in the Bible does it say to confess your sins to a church father?

the bible says to confess your sins in general and to repent of them. First, you have to acknowledge it, then understand why it happens then make a choice to not do them as you know they are self-harming.

if you are confessing in private then it is between yourself and the lord. However when you confess your sins to another person (someone with understanding why you are doing it) you are freeing yourself from believing only in your own personal dialogue with God.

God speaks to us in innumerable ways if we are looking but nothing is better than to allow yourself to become wholesome in your entire being rather than just dipping your toe in the water.

In essence, you cannot live in Gods truth while you hide sins. Cause ultimately you are just hiding them from your own self. As God already knows. Its better to come to grips with how you live and adjust accordingly than try to hide it in places you think the world wont find it. The hidden sins end up being the ones that cause all the pain if we being candid.

Spoiler: Relevant scriptures

Leviticus 26:40-42

40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Proverbs 28:13

13 He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper,
But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion.

1st Epistle of John 1

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Note the Christian tradition is to confess sins to those who you have fellowship with...which isnt just Church fathers but historically is. In essence the community being honest with themselves strengthens the power of honesty at large.

 

[Dave24]

the bible says to confess your sins in general and to repent of them. First, you have to acknowledge it, then understand why it happens then make a choice to not do them as you know they are self-harming.

if you are confessing in private then it is between yourself and the lord. However when you confess your sins to another person (someone with understanding why you are doing it) you are freeing yourself from believing only in your own personal dialogue with God.

God speaks to us in innumerable ways if we are looking but nothing is better than to allow yourself to become wholesome in your entire being rather than just dipping your toe in the water.

In essence, you cannot live in Gods truth while you hide sins. Cause ultimately you are just hiding them from your own self. As God already knows. Its better to come to grips with how you live and adjust accordingly than try to hide it in places you think the world wont find it. The hidden sins end up being the ones that cause all the pain if we being candid.

Spoiler: Relevant scriptures

Leviticus 26:40-42

40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Proverbs 28:13

13 He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper,
But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion.

1st Epistle of John 1



1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Note the Christian tradition is to confess sins to those who you have fellowship with...which isnt just Church fathers but historically is. In essence the community being honest with themselves strengthens the power of honesty at large.

@MMS out of all the english translations of the Bible which one do you believe is the most accurate? King James version?

 

[MMS]

@MMS out of all the english translations of the Bible which one do you believe is the most accurate? King James version?

thats hard to say cause from my point of view they are all doctored to some degree

IE the Vulgate and the Septuagint (LXX) have differences...then the one i use NIV is very different, and KJV sounds very different due to the english

the main thing that I do know is the message can still be deciphered if you truly trying to understand it. Some things will be off but thats why fellowship and understanding of ancient linguistic custom is important

Judaism probably does the best job of understanding the original intent but its a mixed bag based on their complimentary book the Talmud.

This is why I said Genesis >>>> all other books, the truth is much harder to distort there.

 

[DoubleClutch]

now in this order:

Pray and Confess to God your sins (all of them; in your own time or to a church father). Truly repent.

Cleanse of unnecessary everything. Analyze how you think and move day to day. Realize all the things you have...have been brought to you by God (your life is declared)

Strengthen your body WITH your mind and your spirit. Realize the kingdom of heaven is within you.

Find Redemption and Salvation when you look backward.

Once you have been declared all you need to do is realize it



Bonus: Speak outloud these words:
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 2 - King James Version

Wait, you’re a Christian now? I thought you said “Yaweh was a false/pagan God” a few posts back?

Did you change your mind already?

Am i talking the same person from a few pages back?

You gotta explain this one breh,

Yahweh is the false deity of the OId Testament known as Moloch who required child sacrifice

If you follow along in the Isaiah thread I have alluded to that subtly via the b*stardization of Egyptian crude text that apparently happened during the time of Moses.

 

[Dave24]

Wait, you’re a Christian now? I thought you said “Yaweh was a false/pagan God” a few posts back?

Did you change your mind already?

Am i talking the same person from a few pages back?

You gotta explain this one breh,

@MMS

@Ghost Utmost

Yeah I forgot to ask about that. So God in the Old Testament is really a false God correct?

 

[MMS]

Wait, you’re a Christian now? I thought you said “Yaweh was a false/pagan God” a few posts back?

Did you change your mind already?

Am i talking the same person from a few pages back?

You gotta explain this one breh,

The God described in Genesis is the only true God.

you have to read my posts carefully

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66 - King James Version

 

[DoubleClutch]

The God described in Genesis is the only true God.

you have to read my posts carefully

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66 - King James Version

You didn’t answer my question. Is Yaweh from the Bible a false pagan God?

I’m assuming you believe the God of Genesis is the God of Ancient Egypt

Seems like you’d rather God not have a specific name or chosen people so you can attribute him to any cultures beliefs and every religion to exist

Reminds me how Islam also tries to erase Yahweh

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@MMS

@Ghost Utmost

Yeah I forgot to ask about that. So God in the Old Testament is really a false God correct?

I don't treat holy books as textbooks so the things in them are about as heavy as the things in the Watchmen graphic novel

They speak of important themes but to say anything in these books "happened" is tough

But lets speak on it like we'd talk about Thanos. As if it "happened"

G-d cannot be jealous. Or disappointed. You cannot do things that are outside of your nature and design. G-d designed every iota of you on purpose, so how can you disappoint?

Debo cannot disappoint us after watching Friday 900 times. We know exactly what he will do every second of the movie.

Can Smokey disappoint his.creator Ice Cube? He cannot. Cube made him exactly as he wanted him. Flaws and all.

So a jealous, angry, vengeful entity simply CANNOT be the true, transcendent G-d.

G-d is the entirety of the soul and substance of the Universe. G-d is 'everywhere' just like you are everywhere to the cells in your body

Jealousy and all that shyt is about limitations. About not knowing what's coming next

The true G-d has no limits and knows exactly what's next

 

[MMS]

You didn’t answer my question. Is Yaweh from the Bible a false pagan God?

I’m assuming you believe the God of Genesis is the God of Ancient Egypt

Seems like you’d rather God not have a specific name or chosen people so you can attribute him to any cultures beliefs and every religion to exist

Reminds me how Islam also tries to erase Yahweh

John 1:1

Genesis 1:1

stop trying to label everything and just read those verses. You say "God of Ancient Egypt" when Egypt referred to living things as Gods...see the issue? They deified concepts, creatures, people and positions etc. Their world view is not the same as the biblical worldview...however, they did understand proportion and subsequently proportion mathematics...which is the underlying substance in the Bible. So in essence whoever wrote the bible wrote it with numbers and proportions in mind

these subliminal things play tricks on you if you arent cognizant of them. Thus why my Egyptian posts seem to confound. Whether they have anything to do with eachother doesnt really matter the reason they appear to should be what concerns you.

Remember the OT was compiled AFTER the destruction of the First Temple. The Second Temple days are not the same as the First temple and what sprouted out of Babylon is the Talmud.