Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18

[MMS]

Hebrew Israelite tactics

Did you used to be one?

You brehs will never answer questions direct.

If you’re gonna quote me anything from the Bible as an answer, why not at least quote Jesus? That’s straight from the source

Instead you quote vague prophetic scriptures out of context that can be interpreted many ways (which is your bread and butter) not to mention aren’t even written with the purpose or intention to be directly applied to the lives of people living in 2021

what are you so worried about? do you read the scriptures I post? Or have you already judged them

black people are nubians, Egyptians, Kushytes, Bantu etc

The hebrews werent an ethnic group as much as they were a social class. which largely included ....semites and japhethites which is consistent with this story....



Tadukhipa - Wikipedia

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

There ARE multiple elohim in the Bible, but, they are heavily critiqued and found to be false by the writers who saw YHWH as the ONLY one worth worshipping.

The first few verses in Genesis are actually attacks against the creation myths of the Egyptian 'god' Ptah and the Sumerian 'god' Tiamat.​

 

[MMS]

There ARE multiple elohim in the Bible, but, they are heavily critiqued and found to be false by the writers who saw YHWH as the ONLY one worth worshipping.

The first few verses in Genesis are actually attacks against the creation myths of the Egyptian 'god' Ptah and the Sumerian 'god' Tiamat.​

consider the logic of this statement

Marduk - Wikipedia

 

[DoubleClutch]

what are you so worried about? do you read the scriptures I post? Or have you already judged them

black people are nubians, Egyptians, Kushytes, Bantu etc

The hebrews werent an ethnic group as much as they were a social class. which largely included ....semites and japhethites which is consistent with this story....



Tadukhipa - Wikipedia

I don’t read scriptures, I’d rather read the whole book for myself

I’m worried about you.

That’s why I ask again, Since you haven’t answered:

what sparked your interest in Egypt?

How is studying ancient Egyptian religion beneficial or relevant to your life today?

Tell me why knowing about ancient Egyptian history adds to existing faiths like Judaism or Christianity.

and no using scriptures or riddles. Use your own voice

also a new question anyone can answer.

Why do you think in Islam the Quran barley mentions Egypt and doesnt speak out against the ancient Egypt religion/Gods or the Egyptians beliefs yet it focuses on the Torah and Jesus/the gospels as being not true versions, changed or “corrupted”

is there any connection between the Egyptians Gods and the pagan Gods Arab people were worshiping before Islam?


The Egyptians today are pretty much Arab Muslims. It’s ironic

 

[Budda]

this is where you’re wrong

I don’t need to understand Egypt to understand the Bible nor do I want to.

what is the benefit of studying ancient Egypt. The greatest scholars can’t even tell me how the Pyramids were built

Someone like mms might know more than the average person about Egypt but he lacks understanding


The question is who understands and knows the 1 true God

that type of knowledge exceeds what can be found in any books

But for a start, Jesus message is simple enough that the most simple mind can grasp it

that’s all you need.

MMS seems to think the more he learns and knows about multiple religions/cultures the better he’ll understand God And it’s the opposite

so let me ask why are you so interested in a dead culture and religion like the ancient Egyptians?

How is it relevant today, recent history and the future?

only because we are black?

if that’s the case why not join the Hebrew Israelite movement

Why don’t you need to study it, who is the bible made for, what was it’s gospels parables and stories comprised of? Remember the bible is also a history book also so why won’t you study what influenced the material itself? Jesus himself when he was fleeing from Herod where did he go? Where did Joseph go? Where was Moses? You can’t separate Israel and Egypt, even geographically to do so you need a man made dam.

It’s nothing to do with a Hebrew Israelite beliefs, it’s common sense for me.

And there’s nothing dead about Ancient Egyptian culture lol, that’s fiction, the mythos still influences the modern world to this very day.

 

[MMS]

I don’t read scriptures, I’d rather read the whole book for myself

I’m worried about you.

That’s why I ask again, Since you haven’t answered:

what sparked your interest in Egypt?

How is studying ancient Egyptian religion beneficial or relevant to your life today?

Tell me why knowing about ancient Egyptian history adds to existing faiths like Judaism or Christianity.

and no using scriptures or riddles. Use your own voice

also a new question anyone can answer.

Why do you think in Islam the Quran barley mentions Egypt and doesnt speak out against the ancient Egypt religion/Gods or the Egyptians beliefs yet it focuses on the Torah and Jesus/the gospels as being not true versions, changed or “corrupted”

is there any connection between the Egyptians Gods and the pagan Gods Arab people were worshiping before Islam?


The Egyptians today are pretty much Arab Muslims. It’s ironic

you keep asking this, but the reason is the same thread I started in May of last year:
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-little-known-biblical-curse-of-egypt-by-isaiah.776717/

When I read the scriptures they speak to me and I to it. So when I speak to you my thought is not so that you hear my voice but rather that you hear his voice

Spoiler

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - King James Version

the reason they dont speak about it is they shamefully destroyed many temples, relics, and writings. They wish you to not remember the Arab hatred for Africans and how they were the heart of the slave trade. I do not trust the voice of Muhammad (pbuh), it is a personal decision

 

[MMS]

Why don’t you need to study it, who is the bible made for, what was it’s gospels parables and stories comprised of? Remember the bible is also a history book also so why won’t you study what influenced the material itself? Jesus himself when he was fleeing from Herod where did he go? Where did Joseph go? Where was Moses? You can’t separate Israel and Egypt, even geographically to do so you need a man made dam.

It’s nothing to do with a Hebrew Israelite beliefs, it’s common sense for me.

And there’s nothing dead about Ancient Egyptian culture lol, that’s fiction, the mythos still influences the modern world to this very day.

you get it

this can be interpreted literally and allegorically

Egypt is painted as an evil nation in the Bible but in history they are relatively non-aggressive.

However Sesostris :
Sesostris - Wikipedia
Senusret III - Wikipedia

started a bad precedent apparently evil cannot simply be beaten down into submission...which is what Egypt has learned the hard way. They ended up losing their divine birthrights (similar to china changing dynasties etc via the mandate of heaven)

Spoiler: The Last True Egyptian Pharoah

Amasis II - Wikipedia

Herodotus describes how Amasis II would eventually cause a confrontation with the Persian armies. According to Herodotus, Amasis was asked by Cambyses II or Cyrus the Great for an Egyptian ophthalmologist on good terms. Amasis seems to have complied by forcing an Egyptian physician into mandatory labor, causing him to leave his family behind in Egypt and move to Persia in forced exile. In an attempt to exact revenge for this, the physician grew very close to Cambyses and suggested that Cambyses should ask Amasis for a daughter in marriage in order to solidify his bonds with the Egyptians. Cambyses complied and requested a daughter of Amasis for marriage.[8]

Amasis, worrying that his daughter would be a concubine to the Persian king, refused to give up his offspring; Amasis also was not willing to take on the Persian empire, so he concocted a deception in which he forced the daughter of the ex-pharaoh Apries, whom Herodotus explicitly confirms to have been killed by Amasis, to go to Persia instead of his own offspring.[8][9][10]

This daughter of Apries was none other than Nitetis, who was, as per Herodotus's account, "tall and beautiful." Nitetis naturally betrayed Amasis and upon being greeted by the Persian king explained Amasis's trickery and her true origins. This infuriated Cambyses and he vowed to take revenge for it. Amasis died before Cambyses reached him, but his heir and son Psamtik III was defeated by the Persians.[8][10]

First, Cyrus the Great signed alliance agreements with the Lydian King Croesus and Nabonidus the Babylonian king in 542 BC. The actual aim of the agreements was to prevent aid between Egypt and her allies. With both now deprived of Egyptian support, the Persians conquered, first, Croesus's empire in 541 BCE, and, then, the Neo-Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE.

Herodotus also describes how, just like his predecessor, Amasis relied on Greek mercenaries and councilmen. One such figure was Phanes of Halicarnassus, who would later leave Amasis, for reasons that Herodotus does not clearly know, but suspects were personal between the two figures. Amasis sent one of his eunuchs to capture Phanes, but the eunuch was bested by the wise councilman and Phanes fled to Persia, meeting up with Cambyses and providing advice for his invasion of Egypt. Egypt was finally lost to the Persians during the battle of Pelusium in 525 BC.[10]

Amasis brought Egypt into closer contact with Greece than ever before. Herodotus relates that under his prudent administration, Egypt reached a new level of wealth; Amasis adorned the temples of Lower Egypt especially with splendid monolithic shrines and other monuments (his activity here is proved by existing remains).[4] For example, a temple built by him was excavated at Tell Nebesha.[citation needed]

Amasis assigned the commercial colony of Naucratis on the Canopic branch of the Nile to the Greeks, and when the temple of Delphi was burnt, he contributed 1,000 talents to the rebuilding. He also married a Greek princess named Ladice daughter of King Battus III and made alliances with Polycrates of Samos and Croesus of Lydia.[4] Montaigne cites the story by Herodotus that Ladice cured Amasis of his impotence by praying to Venus/Aphropdite.

he built Asherah poles

 

[DoubleClutch]

Why don’t you need to study it, who is the bible made for, what was it’s gospels parables and stories comprised of? Remember the bible is also a history book also so why won’t you study what influenced the material itself? Jesus himself when he was fleeing from Herod where did he go? Where did Joseph go? Where was Moses? You can’t separate Israel and Egypt, even geographically to do so you need a man made dam.

It’s nothing to do with a Hebrew Israelite beliefs, it’s common sense for me.

And there’s nothing dead about Ancient Egyptian culture lol, that’s fiction, the mythos still influences the modern world to this very day.

there’s a common reason why Black Men/African Americans are gravitating towards religions like, NOI, Hebrew Israelites, Kemetic instead of Christianity and I don’t need to spell it out for you

I’m not debating religion anymore because you can believe what you believe blindly I can’t change your mind

But I’m asking why you choose to focus on Egypt to begin with because I doubt you were raised in Egyptian culture or learning about Egypt in schools, etc.... it’s of your own personal interest so what sparked that interest, when and why?

If I’m Christian why dont I need to study Egypt?

Because a simple Bible lesson tells me Egypt is exactly what Gods people were trying to get away from

The exact reason why Egypt is mentioned in the Bible so much is so that we won’t be having conversations like this in 2021

You’re reaching bruh.

I don’t know if you’re trolling or not at this point

Egypt is literally part of one story in 1 out of 66 books in bible

And In it Egypt/pharaoh is shown as the enemy of God and gods people.

The Bible doesn’t show Egypt as a good thing from a religious perspective

Just the idea if Egypt in Judaism/Christianity is synonymous with disobedience/distrust of God

I don’t even know why I’m even telling you this in 2021 assuming you were a Christian before or simply can understand the most basic themes of the Bible

Moreover, from studies that have nothing to do with the Bible we all know ancient Egyptians religion are polytheistic/ multiple Gods and they were worshiping stars, suns, moos etc....and all other types of weird pagan stuff (from a monotheistic Jews/Christian) perspective.

you know all this so why are we having this conversation?

That’s why when someone like MMS tries blending both religions and make them one in the same it’s like I’m reasoning with a child

even though he’s very intelligent he doesn’t understand the most simple message of the Bible

Yes, Egypt is mentioned in Bible stories because it was relevant and influential and powerful at the time in the region/time some of the Bible stories took place

and the Bible is also a historical book of course it’s gonna be true to history/geography/culture of the time. That’s just common sense

You could say the same about all the regions and different cultures that the children of Israel passed throughout throughout the thousands of years Bible history But you don’t go studying their cultures and gods

It’s 2021 now and Egypt religion hasn’t been relevant for thousands of years other than tourism. No new pharaohs, no new pyramids, no language and very few Black Africans are even living there anymore

But you are stuck on Egypt and we all know why.

 

[Budda]

there’s a common reason why Black Men/African Americans are gravitating towards religions like, NOI, Hebrew Israelites, Kemetic instead of Christianity and I don’t need to spell it out for you

I’m not debating religion anymore because you can believe what you believe blindly I can’t change your mind

But I’m asking why you choose to focus on Egypt to begin with because I doubt you were raised in Egyptian culture or learning about Egypt in schools, etc.... it’s of your own personal interest so what sparked that interest, when and why?

If I’m Christian why dont I need to study Egypt?

Because a simple Bible lesson tells me Egypt is exactly what Gods people were trying to get away from

The exact reason why Egypt is mentioned in the Bible so much is so that we won’t be having conversations like this in 2021

You’re reaching bruh.

I don’t know if you’re trolling or not at this point

Egypt is literally part of one story in 1 out of 66 books in bible

And In it Egypt/pharaoh is shown as the enemy of God and gods people.

The Bible doesn’t show Egypt as a good thing from a religious perspective

Just the idea if Egypt in Judaism/Christianity is synonymous with disobedience/distrust of God

I don’t even know why I’m even telling you this in 2021 assuming you were a Christian before or simply can understand the most basic themes of the Bible

Moreover, from studies that have nothing to do with the Bible we all know ancient Egyptians religion are polytheistic/ multiple Gods and they were worshiping stars, suns, moos etc....and all other types of weird pagan stuff (from a monotheistic Jews/Christian) perspective.

you know all this so why are we having this conversation?

That’s why when someone like MMS tries blending both religions and make them one in the same it’s like I’m reasoning with a child

even though he’s very intelligent he doesn’t understand the most simple message of the Bible

Yes, Egypt is mentioned in Bible stories because it was relevant and influential and powerful at the time in the region/time some of the Bible stories took place

and the Bible is also a historical book of course it’s gonna be true to history/geography/culture of the time. That’s just common sense

You could say the same about all the regions and different cultures that the children of Israel passed throughout throughout the thousands of years Bible history But you don’t go studying their cultures and gods

It’s 2021 now and Egypt religion hasn’t been relevant for thousands of years other than tourism. No new pharaohs, no new pyramids, no language and very few Black Africans are even living there anymore

But you are stuck on Egypt and we all know why.

The answer is so long winded and silly, if I’m a Christian why do I need to study Egypt? Why do you need to study Israel? Answer that point and we can get on track.

Where was Christianity made? What does it comprise of and why did the main person in regards to that religion stay in a country you say has no relevance to the whole narrative and religion? Some things don’t make sense here...

And look on your dollar bill and say Egypt hasn’t been relevant for thousands of years, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, Rome Greece Egypt are all still very much relevant today in the modern world.

Im not stuck on Egypt either I just recognise it’s significance in regards to the Bible which constantly mentions it... Whether good or bad, Israel isn’t only mentioned on favorable terms either, and neither Egypt in unfavorw lie terms for example in regards to the Story of Joseph or the Story of Jesus himself.

 

[Budda]

there’s a common reason why Black Men/African Americans are gravitating towards religions like, NOI, Hebrew Israelites, Kemetic instead of Christianity and I don’t need to spell it out for you

I’m not debating religion anymore because you can believe what you believe blindly I can’t change your mind

But I’m asking why you choose to focus on Egypt to begin with because I doubt you were raised in Egyptian culture or learning about Egypt in schools, etc.... it’s of your own personal interest so what sparked that interest, when and why?

If I’m Christian why dont I need to study Egypt?

Because a simple Bible lesson tells me Egypt is exactly what Gods people were trying to get away from

The exact reason why Egypt is mentioned in the Bible so much is so that we won’t be having conversations like this in 2021

You’re reaching bruh.

I don’t know if you’re trolling or not at this point

Egypt is literally part of one story in 1 out of 66 books in bible

And In it Egypt/pharaoh is shown as the enemy of God and gods people.

The Bible doesn’t show Egypt as a good thing from a religious perspective

Just the idea if Egypt in Judaism/Christianity is synonymous with disobedience/distrust of God

I don’t even know why I’m even telling you this in 2021 assuming you were a Christian before or simply can understand the most basic themes of the Bible

Moreover, from studies that have nothing to do with the Bible we all know ancient Egyptians religion are polytheistic/ multiple Gods and they were worshiping stars, suns, moos etc....and all other types of weird pagan stuff (from a monotheistic Jews/Christian) perspective.

you know all this so why are we having this conversation?

That’s why when someone like MMS tries blending both religions and make them one in the same it’s like I’m reasoning with a child

even though he’s very intelligent he doesn’t understand the most simple message of the Bible

Yes, Egypt is mentioned in Bible stories because it was relevant and influential and powerful at the time in the region/time some of the Bible stories took place

and the Bible is also a historical book of course it’s gonna be true to history/geography/culture of the time. That’s just common sense

You could say the same about all the regions and different cultures that the children of Israel passed throughout throughout the thousands of years Bible history But you don’t go studying their cultures and gods

It’s 2021 now and Egypt religion hasn’t been relevant for thousands of years other than tourism. No new pharaohs, no new pyramids, no language and very few Black Africans are even living there anymore

But you are stuck on Egypt and we all know why.

Also why is God having a son not considered polytheistic, pardon my ignorance.

 

[MMS]

@DoubleClutch

why do you say I'm "blending" religions

Did God make a religion in the Garden?

Did God not make the sun. moon and the stars?

Are they pagan?

Do you study images or the word?

 

[MMS]

wḥꜣ

modern Egyptological) IPA(key): /wɛħɑ/

• Conventional anglicization: weha

Verb[edit]

3-lit.

1. (transitive) to separate by pulling away [since the Old Kingdom]
   1. (transitive) to pluck (fruit)
   2. (transitive) to uproot (papyrus, flax, etc.)
   3. (transitive) to quarry (stone)
2. (transitive, rare) to dig up (earth) [Greco-Roman Period]
3. (transitive, rare) to kill (evil ones) [Greco-Roman Period]

Divine Radiance/Epithet spelled forwards....but becomes a verb spelled backwards meaning to separate/kill/uproot

hard to give up some names

Scorpion I - Wikipedia

Royal titulary
Horus name
Weha / Serk
Wḥˁ / Srq
Scorpion ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Skorpionkönig.png

 

[MMS]

@DoubleClutch

The First Book of Kings 1:28-37

28 Then king David answered and said, Call me Bathsheba. And she came into the king's presence, and stood before the king.

29 And the king sware, and said, As the Lord liveth, that hath redeemed my soul out of all distress,

30 Even as I sware unto thee by the Lord God of Israel, saying, Assuredly Solomon thy son shall reign after me, and he shall sit upon my throne in my stead; even so will I certainly do this day.

31 Then Bathsheba bowed with her face to the earth, and did reverence to the king, and said, Let my lord king David live for ever.

32 And king David said, Call me Zadok the priest, and Nathan the prophet, and Benaiah the son of Jehoiada. And they came before the king.

33 The king also said unto them, Take with you the servants of your lord, and cause Solomon my son to ride upon mine own mule, and bring him down to Gihon:

34 And let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him there king over Israel: and blow ye with the trumpet, and say, God save king Solomon.

35 Then ye shall come up after him, that he may come and sit upon my throne; for he shall be king in my stead: and I have appointed him to be ruler over Israel and over Judah.

36 And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada answered the king, and said, Amen: the Lord God of my lord the king say so too.

37 As the Lord hath been with my lord the king, even so be he with Solomon, and make his throne greater than the throne of my lord king David.

Amun - Wikipedia

Amun (US: /ˈɑːmən/; also Amon, Ammon, Amen, Ancient Egyptian: jmn, reconstructed [jaˈmaːnuw]; Greek Ἄμμων Ámmōn, Ἅμμων Hámmōn)

Ahmose I - Wikipedia

You sure it only means "So be it"

 

[DoubleClutch]

The answer is so long winded and silly, if I’m a Christian why do I need to study Egypt? Why do you need to study Israel? Answer that point and we can get on track.

Where was Christianity made? What does it comprise of and why did the main person in regards to that religion stay in a country you say has no relevance to the whole narrative and religion? Some things don’t make sense here...

And look on your dollar bill and say Egypt hasn’t been relevant for thousands of years, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, Rome Greece Egypt are all still very much relevant today in the modern world.

Im not stuck on Egypt either I just recognise it’s significance in regards to the Bible which constantly mentions it... Whether good or bad, Israel isn’t only mentioned on favorable terms either, and neither Egypt in unfavorw lie terms for example in regards to the Story of Joseph or the Story of Jesus himself.

the answer is long winded because the topic and debate is pointless and laughable I agree

it’s just frustrating even responding

seems like the most simple concepts you aren’t grasping

Israel isn’t mentioned favorably because that just part of Gods forgiveness, faithfulness and the redemption story of the Hebrew Israelite “Jewish” people then, now and forever.

notice Egyptians aren’t part of this equation although they do have a place historically and play a role in Gods plan (if you actually believe in the God of the Bible and not the God of ancient Egypt.

And why does this matter at all in 2021?

Because the end of the day even Egyptians can be saved with belief in Jesus

It doesn’t matter race/ethnicity, background or ancestry

and that’s what you can’t seem to get past

that’s why I’m comparing you to Hebrew Israelites

You guys looking to the past trying to make what God made simple more complex than it has to be just to legitimize your beliefs and fit your narrative

A narrative which contradicts everything Jews/Christians believe about God

I dunno how many times I can explain it.

If Egypt is relevant in any way today it’s as a constant reminder for Jews and Christians what NOT to go back to.

and how some people are still stuck in this “wilderness” mindset because even in 2021 Egypt is appealing to you more than actual logic and truth

 

[MMS]

and how some people are still stuck in this “wilderness” mindset because even in 2021 Egypt is appealing to you more than actual logic and truth

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 43 - King James Version

The Book of the Prophet Isaiah 43:11-22

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

14 Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

15 I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

16 Thus saith the Lord, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters;

17 Which bringeth forth the chariot and horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise: they are extinct, they are quenched as tow.

18 Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.

19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.