Better Villain: Joker or Killmonger? Better Actor in that role: Heath Ledger or Michael B Jordan?

[Black Magisterialness]

Heath's Joker = better performance

MBJ's Killmonger = better motivation/villain on paper.

I always said for me what makes a good antagonist is three things...
1. Capability
2. Legitimacy
3. Charisma

Both villains have 1 and 3 but only Killmonger has #2. An antagonist that is privy to the same knowledge, resources, and status as the protagonist makes them compelling. The conflict becomes much deeper than just physical or mental prowess. Just being an anarchist like the Joker is fun to watch but in the end it just makes him a crazy guy who can fukk some shyt up...not a guy who's going to mold the future of nations and the world. Which is what Killmonger was on the road to doing.

Also, recognize that Killmonger's motivation was in some way a twisted form of justice, his way of making the world pay for its treatment of black peoples. So to black people this sounds perfectly legit. However, he lost sight of the human cost, potentially bringing the might of the entire world (and its superheroes) upon one tiny nation. Attrition is still a powerful tool...one that Wakanda actually doesn't have. So in the end his plan was short sighted.

 

[lutha]

i voted for joker because i dont think killmonger was a villain....people are only calling him that cause in these movies you need a hero vs a villain, but if you dont go with that perceived notion, you'll see he's not a villain per say....hell, lupita's character had his same thinking, except she didnt go as far as he did.....yes, his ultimate end goal was extreme, but that was the only part of his plan that was so...he wanted to free oppressed people, that's not a villain...he wanted to help black people that were suffering in the world, that's not a villain....he wanted to reconnect all black people in the world, that's not a villain....his character was more so a magneto type than the joker type...which coincidentally are the 2 characters/actors mbj said he used as inspiration for this performance...

 

[Uncle Hotep]

I mostly agree with his political views. Most black people will.

 

[Brolic Scholar]

I don’t agree with arming every person on the street and a bloody revolt. It’s chess not checkers. Our tactics have to be a little more thought out and complex than a physical battle. Africans worldwide are on pace to physically outnumber white people in 32 years. Add another 50 to that 32 and we will outnumber ALL other races. The strategy isn’t beat them with their own tactics, it’s own the shyt they need to maintain power (most of it comes from Africa) and starve them out while creating our own economy. It’ll be messy, but that’s really the only way. We’re not ready for a fight, but we can start building wealth and let things progress naturally.

See the bigger picture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...in-africa-grasping-the-scale-of-the-challenge

More White People Are Dying Than Are Being Born in 17 States

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...of-uk-as-country-becomes-more-segregated/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/2002/0418/p06s02-woeu.html

 

[NinoBrown]

Killmonger wasn't a villain, he was just fed up that his family essentially abandoned him. If anything, he is a sympathetic and tragic character who wanted too much too fast.

Joker however, is as psychotic and frightening as they come and looks to cause as much chaos and anarchy, not for some righteous vengeance, bust simply because he finds the idea fun....much more terrifying...

 

[ultraflexed]

I mostly agree with his political views. Most black people will. The way he was written was a good way of putting the truth out there but in a way that could receive a big budget.

I disagree that he wasn’t a villain. He was a threat to T’Challa and Wakanda. He had no contingency plan (at least not stated) for the entire world turning its firepower in one direction: Wakanda. In a world where Tony Stark agrees with the Sakovia Accords and fought his own teammates to defend his political ideologies, Wakanda would be taking on MANY advance weapons systems and super heroes in that fight, which would leave Wakanda decimated with no allies to assist.

Joker is a better villain

Killmonger motivation was incredible and backstory was well done but at the end of the day he tried to force his way to the throne and it worked temporarily. He didn’t change everything black panther st the end, opened up their borders because heir king didn’t want to make the same mistakes as past Kings and wants to help the world. A the end of dark knight, joker has corrupted the mayor and influenced ever more terrorism in Gotham and likely continued after his capture. Plus killmonger was excellent and is the greatest villain in a marvel film but he still can’t touch the nuisance and lunacy of the joker. Killmonger was more akin to clubber Lang then joker. Real motivation, letting his hatred lead him to success but then his same hatred leading to him losing it all so quickly.

Joker had a goal that he wanted Batman to kill him to flip his entire ideology on its head.

at the heart of killmonger's motivation would have lead to a holocaust of non Africans around the world

 

[WMG the 2nd]

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at the heart of killmonger's motivation would have lead to a holocaust of non Africans around the world

and holocaust of Africans because you see how easily he killed a dora solider and had wakanda going to war with itself
He even said anybody that thinks like t’challa had to go, choked up somebody grandma over the mere bought of him having to be replaced on the throne. Dude didn’t give a fukk about tradition or none of that. He was on a revenge war path and anybody not agreeing with him was getting killed whether you were black or white. shyt, he rolled with klaue until he didn’t need him and killed his own girl because he thought he had to

 

[Ziggiy]

Kilmonger because there was an actual POINT to his motivations...

All that “Watch the world burn” shyt is well and good and entertaining but Kilmonger’s motives were actually righteous

 

[ultraflexed]

Kilmonger because there was an actual POINT to his motivations...

All that “Watch the world burn” shyt is well and good and entertaining but Kilmonger’s motives were actually righteous

killmonger wanted to watch the world burn, starting with wakanda, they started fighting each ther immediately

 

[CookisaCac]

not even 24 hours yet

 

[Ziggiy]

killmonger wanted to watch the world burn, starting with wakanda, they started fighting each ther immediately

Kilmonger wanted to burn the CURRENT regime of white based control and bring about a revolution for black people, led by and ruled by Wakanda.

 

[ultraflexed]

Kilmonger wanted to burn the CURRENT regime of white based control and bring about a revolution for black people, led by and ruled by Wakanda.

he wanted to kill them, all who were not African, so sh how fast he choked out the African elder, or killed the African lady warrior

 

[Methodical]

Compare him to Joker doesn't make sense to me. Compare him to Magneto would make sense.

 

[MikelArteta]

You mean the dude who said he was responsible for his dad's death
And a warrior who was trying to kill him?

he wanted to kill them, all who were not African, so sh how fast he choked out the African elder, or killed the African lady warrior

 

[illwittdeez]

Yeah Killmonger wasn't a villain in my eyes but the way he set out his plan was villainous....