BET Hip-Hop Awards and racist, genocidal lifestyle promotion-Dr. Boyce Watkins

[mamba]

You know what's disgusting, I've seen way too many parents introducing kids into this lifestyle. It starts with Whip, Nane and ends with "kill that nikka/fuk that hoe"

The other day I saw this chick with a bunch of little kids stuffed in the backseat pounding Future It was really a disgusting sight Them kids couldn't be older than 12

It's usually Black single mothers introducing that garbage to their kids.

 

[mamba]

Makes for a good YouTube video and comments on message boards but we all know the majority of our people will more willingly embrace the negative aspects of our society over the positive. They'll also participate in it while claiming to be conscious.

I've personally witnessed #BlackTwitter bring injustices to the forefront of the media...and then in the same week go out of their way to clown entrepreneurial black people to the point that their careers are in jeopardy. We both celebrate successful black people and collectively wish for their downfall so we can Meme and ReTweet about it.

Wordstar HipHop, Bossip, Mediafakeout, BET, etc...its all in the same boat but most of our community privately eats it up while claiming to be against it in public.

I agree with your assessment. The Black community embraces negativity more than any other community.

 

[Harry B]

My stance has always been the same, poverty, parenting, drugs, guns, etc are the problems.

I said lets ban Hip Hop, then what?

The guns are still on the street, the illicent drugs are still on the street, 28% of African Americans will still be in poverty, etc

Here in Chicago, our gangs have been around since the 1960s, the days of MLK and X, they'll still be around music or no music.

Black P Stones chased my uncle in 1969, there was no Hip Hop then.

The main issues from then are still the same issues today, with the main one being poverty.

That's why I'm saying, if people are so low in society that the dude that made that Coco song could choose their path, I think the music he's making is the last problem these kids have.

If we do a "difference in differences" analysis without any #s, we can look at countries where gangster hiphop isn't big, or better yet just look at the 80s before gangsters hiphop. Gangster hiphop was a consequence of the increasing violence and gangster life. Look at Mexico, Honduras, Haiti, El Salvador, Southern Italy, Russia, rural areas in Pakistan and on.

Poverty, lack of guidance/support and the demand for illegal goods are driving factors in all these countries, not hiphop.

 

[Dzali OG]

I think like @Insensitive said this dudes video is meant to rally troops that already agree with the stuff he kicking. No different than what white equivalents do with their videos. I can't agree with hip hop because y'all nikkas are then special snowflaking yourselves which honestly many of y'all don't have a problem doing. All these people on here that listen or have listened to rap music aren't fukked up but its some big problem? Also y'all gotta stop trying to be slick "cacs" with the words too. Its not that its "NO" problem IMO but how y'all making it seem is similar to the "thugs" and debate on here. Its not that big of a deal as some of y'all make it seem. That's always my view on the issue. Some here make it,like you listen to some rap your life is over and you start selling drugs and shooting cats. Its not like that for the majority at all but y'all act like it is.

Fair enough.

 

[Piffiztheanswer]

more knowledge please

 

[Dzali OG]

It's doing neither.

Are there damaging images in the media? Yes

Are those images the cause for societies ills? No

Will taking BET off the air decrease poverty or imprisonment among black people? Absolutely not

I disagree that it's doing neither.

It's not hypnotizing youth into picking up guns or crack. What it does is provide the vivid imagery to detrimental lifestyles though.

For instance, take a young man from a single household. Mother is a stereotypical piece of shyt. The music he hears is, "I'm in love with cocoa" and "Coca in made me rich". He has no guidance and no examples of living good legally.

Would the imagery and instruction given to him (via music and environmental) not suggest coke is the way out of poverty? Notice I included environment as that really seals the deal.

Of course hip hop isn't the Genesis of black community ills. In the same manner that a person who has been shot doesn't want to wallow in feces. The Genesis is you got shot...but wallowing in feces will bring on infection...and you don't want that.

 

[Dzali OG]

Blaming BET is the easy way out. BET is a business they are about making money so they give the people what they want and the youth want future and young thug. If BET doesn't give it to them they can just get it from the artist directly, youtube, soundcloud etc. If you have a problem with the music blame the artist but nobody wants to do that that. You have artist who don't talk about drugs and killing all the time but the masses call them soft, corny or call them industry plants. But keep blaming BET instead of the artist and YOURSELVES

Well you can't blame BET because it's owned by white people. As you said, their priority is making money.

Just so happens they kill two birds with one stone. They make money while eliminating potential competition.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I disagree that it's doing neither.

It's not hypnotizing youth into picking up guns or crack. What it does is provide the vivid imagery to detrimental lifestyles though.

For instance, take a young man from a single household. Mother is a stereotypical piece of shyt. The music he hears is, "I'm in love with cocoa" and "Coca in made me rich". He has no guidance and no examples of living good legally.

Would the imagery and instruction given to him (via music and environmental) not suggest coke is the way out of poverty? Notice I included environment as that really seals the deal.

Of course hip hop isn't the Genesis of black community ills. In the same manner that a person who has been shot doesn't want to wallow in feces. The Genesis is you got shot...but wallowing in feces will bring on infection...and you don't want that.

With or without hiphop he'd get those same damaging images from somewhere. "I'm in love with the coco" might be a very popular song now, but young people as a whole are selling and using coke much less than they did before the song existed.

As society we should address why he doesn't have a way out of poverty.

 

[Dzali OG]

My stance has always been the same, poverty, parenting, drugs, guns, etc are the problems.

I said lets ban Hip Hop, then what?

The guns are still on the street, the illicent drugs are still on the street, 28% of African Americans will still be in poverty, etc

Here in Chicago, our gangs have been around since the 1960s, the days of MLK and X, they'll still be around music or no music.

Black P Stones chased my uncle in 1969, there was no Hip Hop then.

The main issues from then are still the same issues today, with the main one being poverty.

In your first paragraph you stated some symptoms our community face. Not the Genesis of our problems, but I get what you're saying.

So let's run with what you state...

Guns, drugs, poverty, parenting, are all symptoms. WHY would we be OK with glorifying the symptoms for any ailment?

Imagine a song where artist make it cool to have AIDS or cancer?

Do you realize how our people are? What we have a knack for doing? We have a knack for Maki g even shame worthy things cool. It's nothing to be proud of living in the ghetto. Living in the ghetto means your parents were pos and lost at life. But for awhile we had fortunate children wishing they were from the ghetto. Lying about it even.

I'm thinking those hundreds of white think tanks put it together that Africans have always been a race to learn and pass down information orally. It's why sometimes we have trouble in this world made for cacs, who learn through written manners. Perhaps...I'm certain...music affects black people differently. There's a reason cacs banned us from playing drums during slavery.

 

[Dzali OG]

With or without hiphop he'd get those same damaging images from somewhere. "I'm in love with the coco" might be a very popular song now, but young people as a whole are selling and using coke much less than they did before the song existed.

As society we should address why he doesn't have a way out of poverty.

So we would make another vector to deliver the message.

There's always been a vehicle to deliver the message of negativity. Even before hip hop. Just happens that hip hop is the most efficient means of transportation we've seen thus far.

So just because there have always been vehicles to endorse negativity doesn't mean we should excuse this one.

The reason he doesn't have away out of poverty is because he's not meant to get out of poverty. Only the exceptional are...while the rest are supposed to succumb to "Cocoa".

 

[Barnett114]

In your first paragraph you stated some symptoms our community face. Not the Genesis of our problems, but I get what you're saying.

So let's run with what you state...

Guns, drugs, poverty, parenting, are all symptoms. WHY would we be OK with glorifying the symptoms for any ailment?

Imagine a song where artist make it cool to have AIDS or cancer?

Do you realize how our people are? What we have a knack for doing? We have a knack for Maki g even shame worthy things cool. It's nothing to be proud of living in the ghetto. Living in the ghetto means your parents were pos and lost at life. But for awhile we had fortunate children wishing they were from the ghetto. Lying about it even.

I'm thinking those hundreds of white think tanks put it together that Africans have always been a race to learn and pass down information orally. It's why sometimes we have trouble in this world made for cacs, who learn through written manners. Perhaps...I'm certain...music affects black people differently. There's a reason cacs banned us from playing drums during slavery.

One, music is expression. People can talk about what they want to talk about, it's not up to me to censor what people want to talk about. The only thing I can do is pick and choose what I choose to listen to.

The labels are in it for the money and it's up to the people to dictate what sells.

Two, living in the ghetto does not mean your parents were pos' that lost at life . You say that shyt like you make over 100 racks. Average person regardless of race makes 32K.

Everyone in the ghetto ain't bums, some just don't make enough to leave and with hiring practices in America, it's hard for some blacks to move up.

And I don't know many who claimed the ghetto that wasn't from a ghetto,

 

[philmonroe]

So we would make another vector to deliver the message.

There's always been a vehicle to deliver the message of negativity. Even before hip hop. Just happens that hip hop is the most efficient means of transportation we've seen thus far.

So just because there have always been vehicles to endorse negativity doesn't mean we should excuse this one.

The reason he doesn't have away out of poverty is because he's not meant to get out of poverty. Only the exceptional are...while the rest are supposed to succumb to "Cocoa".

Bold is the problem with too many on here and people in general period. Its not either you get out or you sell drugs. Like I said if that's the case which one are you? You a dealer or you made it out? Ask everybody else the same question too and see their responses. Its a middle ground where you just live like most people average. Working your 9to5 come home pay your pills, take care of your family, all the other things most people normally do that aren't at either end if the extremes you see here

 

[MeachTheMonster]

So we would make another vector to deliver the message.

There's always been a vehicle to deliver the message of negativity. Even before hip hop. Just happens that hip hop is the most efficient means of transportation we've seen thus far.

So just because there have always been vehicles to endorse negativity doesn't mean we should excuse this one.

The reason he doesn't have away out of poverty is because he's not meant to get out of poverty. Only the exceptional are...while the rest are supposed to succumb to "Cocoa".

I disagree with the bolded. There was porn and violence drawn on cave walls. Singling out hiphop as some anomaly, is only a way to demonize young black faces and place the blame on them.

I'm all for advocating positive images, but I disagree with limiting peoples freedom to create/consume whatever type of images they want.

 

[¢apitali$t Migraine]

boyce consistent with the facts. few highlights:

-we need to understand the destructive nature of allowing so much of our culture being promoted to black children yet being controlled by the white people who hate them.
-sometimes you have to be the bad guy. sometimes you have to be the party pooper. you gotta be the person throwing the wet blanket on all of the fun everybody else having, bc they're not thinking of the long-term implications of what's going on.
-what good comes out of content where you're telling young black men to murder each other when we live in a world where black men are murdering each other.
-BET culpable for promoting artist who promote a lifestyle that feeds young black men into the prison industrial complex
-Same way MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, and Malcom X and Farrakhan effect black people, blacks are also effected by OT Genesis when he says i'm in love with the coco.
-hip hop is beautiful. hip hop is amazing. lets not let these racist people b*stardize such a beautiful art form and use it as a weapon designed to destroy our children

Hip hop in 2015 is designed for the lowest common denominator. U have to be fukking brain dead to listen to most of the bullshyt put out today, and that's how it's supposed to be. It's for stupid people. There are more stupids than smarts so, supply & demand, put their ass to work at the bottom of the pyramid where they belong and give em a lil soundtrack that describes the idiotic shyt they do to themselves and others.

U shouldn't need a nikka in a bowtie n horn-rimmed glasses at a podium to tell u not to shoot someone or sell drugs that will lead u directly into the penal system in 2015. Back in the day, these were the fools that would be liquidated in some bullshyt war or armed conflict thru the draft, but now there's a huge surplus of these mouth breathers.

Unless u want a nikka with the IQ of Chief Keef helping write legislation and manage Fortune 500 companies. In that case, here's some new bangin tracks from OT Genasis...

 

[director_of_bands]

straight facts...