Grand_Verbalizer
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What's hilarious is if you put an autotune effect on the last verse of "my fantasy" (hydro planing while I was ..) those speaking that "unlocking flows" nonsense heads would explode
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What's hilarious is if you put an autotune effect on the last verse of "my fantasy" (hydro planing while I was ..) those speaking that "unlocking flows" nonsense heads would explode
Art Barr
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Yet those details go into this convo because that is how it was.
History should NOT be ignored or amalgamated because others may not be familiar.
Part of knowing this shyt is knowing those details.
Including their relevance to how everything occurred in real time.
Not including those detail would make this discussion outta there as far as real.
In any of these discussion legacy wise that was always a component and it should not change.
If that's the case then chronic and its radio explosion for ain't nuffin but a g thang being slow burn and not occuring on a pop scale to April of the following year it debuted.
as a national known pop radio phenomenon and daytime programmed would hurt that year.
The quarter system is very important to this discussion.
Especially before rap and the mid to late nineties radio acts WERE ALLOWED DAYTIME PROGRAMMING AS A SCIENCE to the industry.
Also das efx is relevant in the same thing with how long they want efx drew from its slow burn release to daytime playlist as well.
Art Barr
Yet those details go into this convo because that is how it was.
History should NOT be ignored or amalgamated because others may not be familiar.
Part of knowing this shyt is knowing those details.
Including their relevance to how everything occurred in real time.
Not including those detail would make this discussion outta there as far as real.
In any of these discussion legacy wise that was always a component and it should not change.
If that's the case then chronic and its radio explosion for ain't nuffin but a g thang being slow burn and not occuring on a pop scale to April of the following year it debuted.
as a national known pop radio phenomenon and daytime programmed would hurt that year.
The quarter system is very important to this discussion.
Especially before rap and the mid to late nineties radio acts WERE ALLOWED DAYTIME PROGRAMMING AS A SCIENCE to the industry.
Also das efx is relevant in the same thing with how long they want efx drew from its slow burn release to daytime playlist as well.
Art Barr
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Inspect Her Deck
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Yeah I guess you're right
But what do we do in the case of Biggie Smalls for example? Is he 1994? 1995? Or both?
@mobbinfms is it time to reconsider the requisites?
Art Barr
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I am so glad someone else is around to say this other than me for a change.
Thank you breh for adding to this discussion.
I been telling commercial uninformed rap fans here and in real life for twenty three plus years.
double time was already pushed to the limit skill wise in every facet by tha fellowship.
Plus, bone is easily ruthless's attempt to capitalize on THA fellowship's cultural responsibility.
Whereas bone is the strictly gangsta content based alternative rap group to THA fellowship.
Art Barr
its just not fair... by that logic the earlier one drop'd the more advantage they have
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
its just not fair... by that logic the earlier one drop'd the more advantage they have
Yeah I'm rethinking my stance on this
So does Biggie belong to 94, 95 or both?
And let's say he's in 95. What gives him an advantage over those who released albums such as Pac or Raekwon for example?
Art Barr
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Well big is pretty simple because he was basically two different artist by his vocal tonality growth and change.
Big from late 91 to rtd is a completely different artist from ramped up big after the closing of unbelievable.
Yet unbelievable is the bside to his debut single, tho.
Redman, common, chronic, snoop, wutang, das efx, del, plus a number of others in this discussion.
Those details have to be noted and included or it won't be indicative of what really occured and how and why it occurred.
As, some records in legacy, especially in the radio admin change all garnered a draw or added draw in a pop scale.
Well after their release a year or in das efx and pharcyde favor a couple years after release.
Even LL cool in 84-85, comes into this fold as well.
So, a lot would be lost if this is not included.
It would boil down to the single or the lp's explosion and why and what triggered it.
Plus, the time and era was a slowburn era.
where a record was worked and may not have gained any traction.
Yet was a dark horse favorite.
till it finally got a larger draw from sheer conviction to the material from the fans or the label or both.
Like big, dreams at one point was the top freaky sex record.
When freaky tale sex records fell out of favor culturally from the whole dee Barnes nwa and admjn issues ice cube faced in going to priority with the bomb squad production as a collective. As cube and nwa ushered in the freaky sex kinda parody interlude record.
Which was culturally taboo and hurt too short's cultural standing originally. that became a staple to gangsta rap albums for that era that was copied by biter based gangsta rap groups trying to capitalize on the 20/20 nighttime pr's draw of nwa.
Yet the white label, for dreams was released at least a year before mjb's 411 remix album would make it available to standard fanbases as a consistent listen.
Yet the carry over was important to setup big and Craig Mack to bad boy as a drawing label as well.
All from the dark horse, draw of party and bullshjt carryover from the who's the man sdtrk as well.
Art Barr
Well big is pretty simple because he was basically two different artist by his vocal tonality growth and change.
Big from late 91 to rtd is a completely different artist from ramped up big after the closing of unbelievable.
Yet unbelievable is the bside to his debut single, tho.
Redman, common, chronic, snoop, wutang, das efx, del, plus a number of others in this discussion.
Those details have to be noted and included or it won't be indicative of what really occured and how and why it occurred.
As, some records in legacy, especially in the radio admin change all garnered a draw or added draw in a pop scale.
Well after their release a year or in das efx and pharcyde favor a couple years after release.
Even LL cool in 84-85, comes into this fold as well.
So, a lot would be lost if this is not included.
It would boil down to the single or the lp's explosion and why and what triggered it.
Plus, the time and era was a slowburn era.
where a record was worked and may not have gained any traction.
Yet was a dark horse favorite.
till it finally got a larger draw from sheer conviction to the material from the fans or the label or both.
Like big, dreams at one point was the top freaky sex record.
When freaky tale sex records fell out of favor culturally from the whole dee Barnes nwa and admjn issues ice cube faced in going to priority with the bomb squad production as a collective. As cube and nwa ushered in the freaky sex kinda parody interlude record.
Which was culturally taboo and hurt too short's cultural standing originally. that became a staple to gangsta rap albums for that era that was copied by biter based gangsta rap groups trying to capitalize on the 20/20 nighttime pr's draw of nwa.
Yet the white label, for dreams was released at least a year before mjb's 411 remix album would make it available to standard fanbases as a consistent listen.
Yet the carry over was important to setup big and Craig Mack to bad boy as a drawing label as well.
All from the dark horse, draw of party and bullshjt carryover from the who's the man sdtrk as well.
Art Barr
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List all the exceptions to album release date. 85-2015.
Or if there can be a hard and fast rule. Propose it.
Seems to me too much of an emphasis on singles.
MidnightMercenary
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Hmm well I'm pretty hesitant to put Biggie down for 95. It's a popular request but I would personally rather have acts that dropped a whole album that year
Not if you take into account all singles and remixes from an album, even if the singles/remixes drop the following calendar year.
its just not fair... by that logic the earlier one drop'd the more advantage they have
I don't personally think anybody should be disqualified for 'said year' as long as a legitimate case can be made for them
But then it comes back to what do we consider for which year?
Why not consider the whole album cycle for the year the album dropped?
That way people who had a crazy single at the end of a year get the benefit of that single for the next year when the album dropped. And we already know how it works for people whose albums drop at then end of the year b
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