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Nique's 85-86 season being overlookedThe Dominique disrespect continues
Best NBA player to never be named reg season MVP
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They gave it to him to compensate for those Nash and Dirk MVPs.....and...I love Bean....but CP3 was robbed in 08
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Not yet career-wise, but there is a good chance he can if he keeps up his regular-season + playoff momentum for 3-5 more seasons.
IM GONNA HAVE TO SAY KAWHI
HAS ECLIPSED WADE AS A PLAYER.
KAWHI IS THE ANSWER
Kawhi hasn't given an MVP-caliber regular season yet. Last year was the closest to it, but he won't have one until he plays over 72 games with 25/5/5 and a top-seeded Clippers..
Then you saw that he's literally the most-often mentioned player in the entire thread.
He's one of the most complete players of all time. Elite scorer for a point guard, GOAT-level midrange shooter, GOAT-level passer, GOAT-level IQ, and elite defender.
In 2008 he was absolutely ridiculous with:
21.1ppg (1st among all point guards by a large margin) on nice shooting #'s (49/37/85)
11.6apg (1st among all players)
2.7spg (1st among all players)
2nd-team All-Defensive
1st-team All-NBA
2nd in MVP voting
1st or 2nd in every single advanced stat (Offensive Rating, Win Shares, PER, Box Plus/Minus, and Value Over Replacement)
Led the Pelicans to 56 wins with David West as the #2 and Morris Peterson in the starting lineup.
In the playoffs that year he averaged 24-5-11 on 50% shooting and led all players in steals, just ran into a Spurs team that had more experience and more elite talent than they did.
2009 was a great argument too. Averaged 24-6-11 on 50% shooting while again leading the league with 2.8 steals and earning 1st-team All-Defensive honors. Only issue was that team won just 49 games but for 20 games they were starting Rasual Butler, Hilton Armstrong, and Julian Wright next to CP3 and West.
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Nique's 85-86 season being overlooked
It's overlookable. He scored 30ppg (in a very fast-paced era) but didn't shoot that well, didn't add a lot else, and didn't have great team success. Look at how many players were putting up similar numbers in the same era, not to mention others (like we been saying D-Wade in 2009) who did the same shyt in a tougher era. I'd put a lot of other seasons up before that one.
Was C-Webb even a top-5 player at ANY point in his career, much less 2000 when Iverson, Duncan, Shaq, KG, etc. were all clearly superior?
I do think McGrady gonna low-key be one of the most forgotten players of my era. For a brief moment he had an argument as the most dominant perimeter player in the game, right up there with peak LeBron/Kobe/Wade seasons. Then he got hurt and that was that. People always talking about Penny and Grant Hill but I think peak T-Mac was a more dominant player with greater potential than either of them ever had.
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Kawhi
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KANG LIFE
Damn this post made me appreciate CP3 even moreThen you saw that he's literally the most-often mentioned player in the entire thread.
He's one of the most complete players of all time. Elite scorer for a point guard, GOAT-level midrange shooter, GOAT-level passer, GOAT-level IQ, and elite defender.
In 2008 he was absolutely ridiculous with:
21.1ppg (1st among all point guards by a large margin) on nice shooting #'s (49/37/85)
11.6apg (1st among all players)
2.7spg (1st among all players)
2nd-team All-Defensive
1st-team All-NBA
2nd in MVP voting
1st or 2nd in every single advanced stat (Offensive Rating, Win Shares, PER, Box Plus/Minus, and Value Over Replacement)
Led the Pelicans to 56 wins with David West as the #2 and Morris Peterson in the starting lineup.
In the playoffs that year he averaged 24-5-11 on 50% shooting and led all players in steals, just ran into a Spurs team that had more experience and more elite talent than they did.
2009 was a great argument too. Averaged 24-6-11 on 50% shooting while again leading the league with 2.8 steals and earning 1st-team All-Defensive honors. Only issue was that team won just 49 games but for 20 games they were starting Rasual Butler, Hilton Armstrong, and Julian Wright next to CP3 and West.
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2007-2008 CP3
Jerry West
1965-66
- Career highs in points and winshares. Had Lakers as the #1 seed, but came as runner-up to Wilt who had better numbers, higher winshares and #1 Sixers in the East.
1969-70
- Lead league in scoring and winshares of the season with the Lakers at #2 seed. Lost to Willis Reed who had a #1 seeded Knicks with Frazier and was a league favorite given he won the all-star game MVP. Lost the first-place votes 51 vs Reed's 61 votes.
Other all-time players with MVP caliber seasons:
Elgin Baylor (63 - Bill Russell)
George Gervin (78 - Bill Walton)
Dominique Wilkins (86 - MJ)
Clyde Drexler (92 - MJ)
Jason Kidd (02 - Tim Duncan)
Chris Paul (08 - Kobe Bryant)
Dwyane Wade (09 - LeBron James)
Players I think could've had MVP seasons if they weren't on all-time teams:
Isiah Thomas
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
1965-66
- Career highs in points and winshares. Had Lakers as the #1 seed, but came as runner-up to Wilt who had better numbers, higher winshares and #1 Sixers in the East.
1969-70
- Lead league in scoring and winshares of the season with the Lakers at #2 seed. Lost to Willis Reed who had a #1 seeded Knicks with Frazier and was a league favorite given he won the all-star game MVP. Lost the first-place votes 51 vs Reed's 61 votes.
Other all-time players with MVP caliber seasons:
Elgin Baylor (63 - Bill Russell)
George Gervin (78 - Bill Walton)
Dominique Wilkins (86 - MJ)
Clyde Drexler (92 - MJ)
Jason Kidd (02 - Tim Duncan)
Chris Paul (08 - Kobe Bryant)
Dwyane Wade (09 - LeBron James)
Players I think could've had MVP seasons if they weren't on all-time teams:
Isiah Thomas
Kevin McHale
Scottie Pippen
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