Bernie Sanders Does Not Want To Abolishing Police Departments

[Professor Emeritus]

Clearly the white middle class need another handout. Bernie nailed it. The crowd goes wild. More free education and wages for police ie the white middle class who will then go on to oppress minorities.



All in the name of voters who abandoned the Dem party and any sense of decency decades ago

Yes, firing unqualified police officers, removing immunity, striping federal funds from noncompliant departments, mandating independent review boards for every department, and then hiring only better trained, higher qualified officers sure sounds like a "handout".

You're purposely misreading his statement in the dumbest way possible and then creating a strawman that makes you look like an idiot.

 

[88m3]

Yes, firing unqualified police officers, removing immunity, striping federal funds from noncompliant departments, mandating independent review boards for every department, and then hiring only better trained, higher qualified officers sure sounds like a "handout".

You're purposely misreading his statement in the dumbest way possible and then creating a strawman that makes you look like an idiot.

Maybe they can put Jane in charge of the education stipends for the unqualified police officers.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Maybe they can put Jane in charge of the education stipends for the unqualified police officers.

Go ahead, keep blatantly making up shyt. I just gave you Sanders' 8-point plan that the interview was based on. Show me ANYWHERE in that plan where he calls for education stipends for unqualified officers.

The whole plan is about how they should FIRE inadequate officers and hire BETTER officers in their place. And your argument against that is....? The better plan you've offered is....?




@88m3, I'm going to give you one chance to prove you're not a clown.

You've been here 8 years. Just show me one time, ever, before Bernie's June 2nd letter that you argued for more radical reformation of the police than Bernie did. So I know you're not a Hillary-stan centrist democrat cosplaying as a militant all of the sudden, please show me one time, ever, that you argued for bigger changes before this month.

Second, show me one time, EVER, where you criticized one of the centrist dems for their police proposals, none of which have ever gone nearly as far as Bernie did. When Clinton called for more training for cops, show me where you said ONE word against her for it.



I mean, you're a fukking Clinton stan trying to talk like Bernie is too soft on cops.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Cops aren't bad because they're underpaid and undertrained.

That isn't what he said. He said cops are bad because shytty unqualified people are hired as cops.


He said if you offer higher pay and in turn require higher qualifications, you'll be able to select better candidates. In addition, he's saying there needs to be far more leeway to fire the bad cops, civil rights legislation needs to be updated so it is easier to prosecute misconduct, qualified immunity needs to go in the trash bin, police misconduct records need to be public, federal funding needs to be pulled from departments that don't comply, and independent conduct review boards need to be set up that have teeth to enforce against police misconduct totally outside of the blue line.


Which part of his ACTUAL proposal do you disagree with, why, and what would you do in response?

We got the boards' most vocal centrists suddenly acting like they've been militant radicals all this time.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That isn't what he said. He said cops are bad because shytty unqualified people are hired as cops.


He said if you offer higher pay and in turn require higher qualifications, you'll be able to select better candidates. In addition, he's saying there needs to be far more leeway to fire the bad cops, civil rights legislation needs to be updated so it is easier to prosecute misconduct, qualified immunity needs to go in the trash bin, police misconduct records need to be public, federal funding needs to be pulled from departments that don't comply, and independent conduct review boards need to be set up that have teeth to enforce against police misconduct totally outside of the blue line.


Which part of his ACTUAL proposal do you disagree with, why, and what would you do in response?

We got the boards' most vocal centrists suddenly acting like they've been militant radicals all this time.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

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it's offensive, I'm sorry that you don't see it that way

saying the police need better wages and more access to resources is frankly insulting

It's 4am don't expect an essay

His fence sitting is exhausting and this pandering routine that does to the white middle class disgusts me.

I'll try and write something up later today that suits your liking.

@Rhakim Don't expect an essay at 4am, just multiple posts where he presents a strawman that he thinks backs up his opinion, maybe some gifs, and an explanation that is laughable at best when you consider the type of candidates he cheerleads for

 

[Mook]

You're a die-hard Clinton supporter who thinks Hillary Clinton is "fundamentally honest and trustworthy", yet you're accusing Sanders of fence-sitting and pandering to the White middle class.





Look at all that White middle-class pandering there.

at the end of that day that ad meant nothing cause dumbo sanders catered to rural cacs and young people. Two demographics that never vote and in a fukking primary lmao.

 

[Mr Rager]

This is what happens when you let white leftists tell the government what black people want and need. Defund the police? Abolish police departments?

 

[Dat Migo]

Why is Bernie bootlicking for these pigs?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim Don't expect an essay at 4am, just multiple posts where he presents a strawman that he thinks backs up his opinion, maybe some gifs, and an explanation that is laughable at best when you consider the type of candidates he cheerleads for

Best part is that both centrists who are trying to claim to be miiltants are letting themselves get played by an actual Trump supporter OP.

Bernie hate makes strange bedfellows.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Why is Bernie bootlicking for these pigs?

Reading comprehension is ass in this thread. In what universe is this considering "bootlicking"?


Sanders Calls for Sweeping Reforms in Senate Democrats’ Policy Response to Police Violence

The Honorable Charles Schumer
Minority Leader
United States Senate
U.S. Capitol, S-221
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Minority Leader Schumer:

Thank you for moving forward on a robust legislative response to the long-standing problem of police violence and misconduct. Now is the time to implement the far-reaching reforms that will protect people and communities that have suffered this violence for far too long.

As we consider a legislative approach, I request that the following items be included in the final proposal:

• Amend federal civil rights laws to allow more effective prosecution of police misconduct by changing the standard from willfulness to recklessness.
  
  
• Abolish “qualified immunity,” so police officers are held civilly liable for abuses.
  
  
• Prohibit the transfer of offensive military equipment to police departments.
  
  
• Strip federal funds from departments that violate civil rights.
  
  
• Create a federal model policing program that emphasizes de-escalation, non-lethal force and culturally competent policing that would be tied to enhanced federal funding for communities that implement the programs and decreased/eliminated funding for those that do not. As part of this effort to modernize and humanize police departments we need to enhance the recruitment pool by ensuring that the resources are available to pay wages that will attract the top tier officers we need to do the difficult work of policing.
  
  
• Provide funding to states and municipalities to create civilian corps of unarmed first responders to supplement law enforcement, such as social workers, EMTs, and trained mental health professionals, who can handle order maintenance violations, mental health emergencies, and low-level conflicts to aid police officers.
  
  
• Require agencies to make records of police misconduct publicly available.
  
  
• Require all jurisdictions that receive federal grant funding to establish independent police conduct review boards that are broadly representative of the community and that have the authority to refer deaths that occur at the hands of police or in police custody to federal authorities for investigation. In addition, the boards would be authorized to report to federal authorities other types of abuses by police including patterns of misconduct. This would be supplemental to current federal authority to commence investigations. Clearly, we need to enhance federal funding for such investigations.

I believe each of these proposals will contribute greatly to the eradication of police violence in this country. Thank you again for your consideration and I look forward to continuing to work with you and our colleagues to seriously address an intolerable situation in this country.

Sincerely,

Bernard Sanders, United States Senator

THAT is the proposal that kicked all this off. How is that bootlicking? Y'all letting someone else's gloss form opinions for you instead of reading what he actually said.

 

[nyknick]

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it's offensive, I'm sorry that you don't see it that way

saying the police need better wages and more access to resources is frankly insulting

Just wait for Joe "shoot them in the leg" Biden to say same thing or a more pro-police statement and then you'll be on board

Maybe they can put Jane in charge of the education stipends for the unqualified police officers.

Chelsea is available

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Best part is that both centrists who are trying to claim to be miiltants are letting themselves get played by an actual Trump supporter OP.

Bernie hate makes strange bedfellows.

Yeah, and Biden isn't about defunding the police just police reform, if the thread was made about him instead I doubt we would get the same reaction. lol
Teams instead of principles I guess.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Just wait for Joe "shoot them in the leg" Biden to say same thing or a more pro-police statement and then you'll be on board


Chelsea is available

Her mom also seems to be out of work, incidentally, only she's probably too hardcore law-and-order to cosign a Bernie initiative.

 

[Pressure]

That isn't what he said. He said cops are bad because shytty unqualified people are hired as cops.

He said the following:

• "And, too often around this country right now, you have police officers who take the job at very low payment, don't have much education, don't have much training—and I want to change that."

As I said,

Cops aren't bad because they're underpaid and undertrained.

He said if you offer higher pay and in turn require higher qualifications, you'll be able to select better candidates.

Again cops aren't bad because they're underpaid. I fundamentally disagree with the idea that good people aren't being hired as cops because of their pay. It's a fundamental issue I disagree with regarding the debate about why police officers are killing black men and women at a disproportionate rate.

He said if you offer higher pay and in turn require higher qualifications, you'll be able to select better candidates. In addition, he's saying there needs to be far more leeway to fire the bad cops, civil rights legislation needs to be updated so it is easier to prosecute misconduct, qualified immunity needs to go in the trash bin, police misconduct records need to be public, federal funding needs to be pulled from departments that don't comply, and independent conduct review boards need to be set up that have teeth to enforce against police misconduct totally outside of the blue line.

I agree with the bolded. That's why I did not mention it. This is the point where you try and overrun the argument. Not today.

Which part of his ACTUAL proposal do you disagree with, why, and what would you do in response?

You quoted the part I disagreed with. And my belief is that review boards should not be limited to reactionary measures. In fact, there should be some form of public review on new hires. It's not unreasonable in my opinion for people under the public trust to receive public scrutiny. Seems to be a more effective way to keep bad actors from these positions of power in the first place instead of the misguided classist view that if you pay people more you will end up with higher moral character.

Nah, you're just paying our oppressor more money.

We got the boards' most vocal centrists suddenly acting like they've been militant radicals all this time.

This is just political hoe babble. Imagine thinking that leftists are the only ones who are advocating for change in the police department,

Ive been shot, gassed, arrested, and stalked numerous times over the work I do with regard to police protests. I'm a known entity in REAL LIFE with my community work, in particular with police reform and homelessness. You got the wrong one, put the weed down.