Bernie Sanders Does Not Want To Abolishing Police Departments

[FAH1223]

Bernie Sanders isn't leading the charge on police reform.

To be honest, he hasn't led the charge on pushing much meaningful legislation throughout his career.

Like I said, he's irrelevant to this conversation because he isn't offering anything that others haven't already put out there.




I keep posting because you sensitive men get in your feelings anytime someone criticizes Sanders.

Stop quoting me to talk about this man. His time is up.

He's led on Medicare, he's led on protecting Social Security when the Dem Party leaders were putting it on the chopping block. People like Heidi Heitkamp were saying Bernie was the only one aside from Warren who had the balls to call out Obama in those WH meetings and in the last few years he's led on important foreign policy like Yemen with guys like Sen. Murphy and even Sen. Lee.

And just cause he's not leading on this issue, you're acting like he shouldn't say anything about it?

I'm not being sensitive, I'm calling out your sensitivity when nikkas call you out.

And you're still in this thread

 

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He's led on Medicare, he's led on protecting Social Security when the Dem Party leaders were putting it on the chopping block. People like Heidi Heitkamp were saying Bernie was the only one aside from Warren who had the balls to call out Obama in those WH meetings and in the last few years he's led on important foreign policy like Yemen with guys like Sen. Murphy and even Sen. Lee.

And just cause he's not leading on this issue, you're acting like he shouldn't say anything about it?

I'm not being sensitive, I'm calling out your sensitivity when nikkas call you out.

And you're still in this thread

You're still quoting me. Pathetic.

Let me know when he introduces and passes meaningful legislation.

In 3 decades the junior senator from Vermont has managed to pass 7 pieces of legislation as the sponsor. The most meaningful one being meals on wheels.

7 bills in 30 years, nikka I can divide. Let's say 2, 2 of them shyts was due.

 

[FAH1223]

You're still quoting me. Pathetic.

Let me know when he introduces and passes meaningful legislation.

In 3 decades the junior senator from Vermont has managed to pass 7 pieces of legislation as the sponsor. The most meaningful one being meals on wheels.

7 bills in 30 years, nikka I can divide. Let's say 2, 2 of them shyts was due.

Passed more amendments than anyone in the House when the GOP controlled it from 1995-2007.

But this topic isn't about his legislative record. Its about his views on policing.

I pointed out he won his first race for Mayor due to the police union in Burlington. They've supported him in every race he's had since. He's not in favor of defunding the police. But he's on record talking about changing the scope of work of police, providing better training which leads to better pay. But how does that look like? He doesn't know.

And there's that.

 

[88m3]

Passed more amendments than anyone in the House when the GOP controlled it from 1995-2007.

He's got a great record of renaming post offices. Stellar.

 

[FAH1223]

He's got a great record of renaming post offices. Stellar.

"In the House, he attached a measure to prevent the George W. Bush administration from finalizing rules that would have allowed companies to cut the pensions of older workers. Community health care clinics were expanded via a Sanders amendment to President Obama’s health care law. His amendments with Mr. Grassley to prevent bailed-out banks from replacing American workers with foreign ones was part of a major economic stimulus bill in 2009"

Post offices were bills, amendments had modest victories. But let's not get off topic

I wonder what amendments he'd introduce on policing?

 

[88m3]

"In the House, he attached a measure to prevent the George W. Bush administration from finalizing rules that would have allowed companies to cut the pensions of older workers. Community health care clinics were expanded via a Sanders amendment to President Obama’s health care law. His amendments with Mr. Grassley to prevent bailed-out banks from replacing American workers with foreign ones was part of a major economic stimulus bill in 2009"

Post offices were bills, amendments had modest victories. But let's not get off topic

I wonder what amendments he'd introduce on policing?

I wonder how that held up overtime? Gutted by now?


I see.


I'm sure he offered some to the Crime Bill?


Edit: you mean going forwards...

 

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Passed more amendments than anyone in the House when the GOP controlled it from 1995-2007.

But this topic isn't about his legislative record. Its about his views on policing.

I pointed out he won his first race for Mayor due to the police union in Burlington. They've supported him in every race he's had since. He's not in favor of defunding the police. But he's on record talking about changing the scope of work of police, providing better training which leads to better pay. But how does that look like? He doesn't know.

And there's that.

I merely pointed out that raising police salary isn't going to address the systemic issues within law enforcement and @Rhakim jumped off the deep end quoting Me and @88m3 because we dared to question part of his proposal.

I've yet to see anyone refute my position. Maybe you can do a better job.

Here's your shot.

The discussion over police Pay is a big red herring. In part because it plays into the bad apple fallacy. Police departments aren't claiming these are bad cops. It's the exact opposite. They're saying the actions the officers are taking are justified.

So how does increasing the pool of hires help address the problem of a broken charge?

 

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"In the House, he attached a measure to prevent the George W. Bush administration from finalizing rules that would have allowed companies to cut the pensions of older workers. Community health care clinics were expanded via a Sanders amendment to President Obama’s health care law. His amendments with Mr. Grassley to prevent bailed-out banks from replacing American workers with foreign ones was part of a major economic stimulus bill in 2009"

Post offices were bills, amendments had modest victories. But let's not get off topic

I wonder what amendments he'd introduce on policing?

Do you think police reform can be handled entirely by amendments?

 

[FAH1223]

I merely pointed out that raising police salary isn't going to address the systemic issues within law enforcement and @Rhakim jumped off the deep end quoting Me and @88m3 because we dared to question part of his proposal.

I've yet to see anyone refute my position. Maybe you can do a better job.

Here's your shot.

The discussion over police Pay is a big red herring. In part because it plays into the bad apple fallacy. Police departments aren't claiming these are bad cops. It's the exact opposite. They're saying the actions the officers are taking are justified.

So how does increasing the pool of hires help address the problem of a broken charge?

Increasing the pool of hires doesn't address the problem. Having more qualified well trained officers is just one part of a broader solution where you have independent oversight and actual enforcement mechanisms to punish and eliminate those who engage in abuse/murder of civilians.

So, I don't disagree with you.

Maybe Bernie's 8 point plan isn't what protestors right now want, but if we got a plan like that in the Senate passed, it'd go a long way towards real reforms. Of course, that isn't going to happen. The best we may get is end of qualified immunity and the GOP bill from Tim Scott was a joke

Do you think police reform can be handled entirely by amendments?

Not entirely but some things can be slipped in there. Especially into the NDAA when it gets passed.

But that has a better chance of happening if Schumer is the Majority Leader. He'd let Bernie put in stuff in those bills.

 

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