Benny feat J. Cole: Johnny P’s Caddy (prod. Alchemist) [Tana Talk 4 album drops March 11]

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funny you mention that, because Alfredo is easily, easillyyy my least favorite batch of beats out of those 5 projects.

Bo
Tecmo
Price of Tea
Lulu

all >>> Alfredo in terms of the beats to me. Alfredo is a lot of what Al critics love to critique about him. There are some half-cooked instrumentals on there, and there are more drumless loops on there than on any of those other projects.

Bo Jackson and Super Tecmo might be his most interesting batches of production ever outside of Covert Coup. Lulu is all hard as nails minus one track, and even that one sounds like a cinematic video game. Price of Tea is one of the darkest and grittiest cohesive projects in a long time.

Al lets Boldy James get his best work these days, because they're best friends and Boldy's his favorite rapper. But there's definitely big heat on Tana Talk 4.

The rappers choose the beats. I don't think Al is holding out on anyone. Someone else might have turned down something Boldy rapped over and vice versa.

Cole wasn't that good to me on here
I like him more for his emotional shyt

Benny kinda set the tone for the song and Cole went in another direction. I prefer when the featured artist sticks to the theme. Cole said fukk it I'm just bringing bars. Benny's verse was more personal.
 

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this shyt is better than anything on The Off Season

i havent played a Cole song this much in my life :picard:
 

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The rappers choose the beats. I don't think Al is holding out on anyone. Someone else might have turned down something Boldy rapped over and vice versa.
I'm not trying to sound like an a$$hole, but Boldy and Al have kind of a weird relationship where a lot of times Boldy actually doesn't choose the beats. Apparently for Price of Tea in China he had Alc choose every single beat for that album. Not only that but Boldy didn't even pick what songs went on the album. He just recorded a batch and let Al decide what stayed or left for the final product.

For Bo Jackson they said it was a little different and Boldy chose more on that one, but he still let Al pick the lion's share. So specifically with Boldy, Alchemist sets aside a lot of beats that he thinks would sound interesting with Boldy's voice on it, or beats where Boldy might have to push his flow (like Speed Trap), etc. Also, on 300 Fences, Alchemist had that beat as the soundtrack for a car chase, and suggested Boldy use it to tell a story about running from the law. Boldy and Alc recorded like 50 songs for Bo Jackson and Super Tecmo and cut it down to 25.

Murs and 9th Wonder used to do this. Murs used to fly to NC and would tell 9th, "Hey man, pick the 10 beats you want me to rock over. I don't want to have any say at all."

EDIT: But I also don't think Al is holding out either. On his new Complex interview he said he's still literally making lots of beats every single day. There's a lot of fire to go around. He has an abundance mentality where it's like, if you aren't there to get the beat when it's fresh out of the oven, then there will likely be another good one for you the next time you're around.

Interview from this week: A Conversation With The Alchemist, 2021’s Best Hip-Hop Producer Alive
 

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Imo in the spectrum of great rappers, both of them have so-so albums. Obviously not so-so if we are comparing with so-so rappers.

Idk bro he just dropped what would of been album of the year if it wasn't for Kd2 and he has another classic with forest hills drive and born sinner. I guess I'm the only that feels like kiss of death and the last kiss are classics
 

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Benny was rapping about life J.Cole was rapping about being the best
rapper alive nobody got anyone yall kill with this shyt dope song though.
 

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i was about to say alc fell off a lil
how? his work in 2020 and 2021 have been some of his best work
TT4 drops before GDMM? :smh:
man fukk that Conway album. I fukk wit him...but this...Spittas ALC album...and Gibbs album all take precedence over GDMM. If it needs to be cooked more...let them cook.
 
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