Belichick without Brady through 2022

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All I know is whenever a receiver catches a ball for the patriots..my usual response is “who is this nikka?”

pats games be having my google search engine putting in work every week :wow:
 
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BucciMane said:
I respect everything that Brady did here in New England, and will never bash him or make him sound like an average QB. He is the GOAT, period.

However, my biggest issue with the entire Brady discussion to years is that people say he's had no weapons or no defense. When Belichick gets him offensive weapons, people cry that the defense isn't good enough. When Belichick does to get Revis, Gilmore, etc., then people say the Patriots have no weapons on offense. There is this thing called a salary cap that people don't seem to realize. There have absolutely been points in his career where he hasn't had great weapons, but he's also had:

Top five at WORST WR in Randy Moss

GOAT TE in Gronk

First team all-pro in Welker.

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There are others I could add in there, but that's my biggest pet peeve and issue with these conversations. It is very hard to have great weapons on offense and a top tier defense. There is almost always going to be a trade off.
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The Pats had quite a few suspect defenses in the back half of Brady's time there. A lot of bend but don't break units that bled yards but tightened up in the red zone. That works when you play in the worst division in football but makes things tougher in the playoffs.

They also didn't have many offensive weapons besides Gronk, who unfortunately stayed injured. New England didn't have a true #1 receiver during Brady's entire tenure besides three years of Moss, one of which, Brady tore his ACL.

No other QB of his stature had fewer weapons for such a long period of time.
 
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Regular_P said:
I put that on Robert Kraft, not Beli. :ehh:

Brady sacrificed quite a bit of salary too.
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Belichick put a team around Brady that in 19 years won the division 16 times, went to the AFC Championship game 14 times, SB 9 times, and won 6 of them. As far as I know Brady never played defense or special teams and he always had OL who gave him time.

Brady is GOAT QB but this ain't basketball where one dude can carry a team.

If Belichick was a shyt GM, Brady's career would have been wasted like Marino's.

If Brady got drafted by Matt Millen and the Lions dude would not have the same success he has had and probably gotten injured a lot more times.
 
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Copy Ninja said:
Belichick put a team around Brady that in 19 years won the division 16 times, went to the AFC Championship game 14 times, SB 9 times, and won 6 of them. As far as I know Brady never played defense or special teams and he always had OL who gave him time.

Brady is GOAT QB but this ain't basketball where one dude can carry a team.

If Belichick was a shyt GM, Brady's career would have been wasted like Marino's.

If Brady got drafted by Matt Millen and the Lions dude would not have the same success he has had and probably gotten injured a lot more times.
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Their division is an underrated aspect of their success. The AFC East was the worst division in football during their time together. It essentially gave them five wins every season and an easy path to a first round bye.

Truly great QBs can also cover up team holes. That's why you could pencil in 10+ wins just about every year for Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Wilson.

You're right. QBs don't do it all alone but they make it a lot easier for a team to win. Teams with sustained success by and large have great QBs.
 
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Copy Ninja said:
Belichick put a team around Brady that in 19 years won the division 16 times, went to the AFC Championship game 14 times, SB 9 times, and won 6 of them. As far as I know Brady never played defense or special teams and he always had OL who gave him time.

Brady is GOAT QB but this ain't basketball where one dude can carry a team.

If Belichick was a shyt GM, Brady's career would have been wasted like Marino's.

If Brady got drafted by Matt Millen and the Lions dude would not have the same success he has had and probably gotten injured a lot more times.
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Brady would have won 3 rings with the Lions :hubie:
 
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That 2nd loss against Miami should’ve been an omen. Getting owned by a coach who would later be terminated, that’s bad. The pats post season hopes were overhyped. Beli is still a good coach. A goat coach. But Brady mitigated so much of their offensive holes. Brady and Gronk. And defensively, I don’t know what happens yesterday. :picard:
 
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DetroitEWarren said:
Brady would have won 3 rings with the Lions :hubie:
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Regular_P said:
Their division is an underrated aspect of their success. The AFC East was the worst division in football during their time together. It essentially gave them five wins every season and an easy path to a first round bye.

Truly great QBs can also cover up team holes. That's why you could pencil in 10+ wins just about every year for Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Wilson.

You're right. QBs don't do it all alone but they make it a lot easier for a team to win. Teams with sustained success by and large have great QBs.
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Pats dominated every division.

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BucciMane said:
This discussion is always stupid to me when people compare Belichick v.s. Brady. I do my best not to turn into some anti-Brady person when supporting Belichick.

If we just take a look at the Super Bowls, how can people say it's mostly Brady during those games?


Wins:

Rams: Brady led the game winning drive. I don't care if it was a FG, he did what he needed to do. However, the Patriots defense shut down the "Greatest Show on Turf".

Panthers: Great game by Brady. He had over 300 yards passing and three TD's. Fantastic performance.

Eagles: Once again, Brady played a very good game. He did everything he needed to do and then some. The defense also held the Eagles to just 21 points and forced three INT's.

Seahawks: An historic 4th quarter from Brady. However, he had two INT's that helped put the Patriots in that hole. Hightower and Butler made two massive plays at the goal-line to seal the win. Brady did everything he could in the 4th quarter, but that defense deserves a lot of credit as well

Falcons: Unbelievable performance in the second half from the offense and defense. Scoring multiple TD's with multiple two point conversions is incredible. We'll likely never see something like that again. However, let's not forget the Hightower strip sack and the defense shutting down the Falcons in that second half.

Rams: Don't even have to get into any detail here. An all-time historic defensive performance. Brady made some big plays in the 4th quarter, but that was a defensive masterpiece.

Bucs: Brady played well, but that defense was on Mahomes ass all game. I'm not going to sit here and give all the credit to the defense because Brady still played well and didn't turn the ball over. I'd say this was the most complete team win for him.


Losses:

Giants: I don't want to hear anything about the Patriots having the lead with a few minutes to go and not stopping the Giants. This was the HIGHEST scoring offense in NFL history and they put up 14 points. There should not be one ounce of blame thrown at Belichick for that game. That was 100% on Brady and the offense.

Giants: A 13-3 record and putting up 17 points again. A massive disappointment there. HOWEVER, Brady did not have a lot of weapons that game. He had Hernandez and Welker, and then an injured Gronk and aging Branch. The Patriots held the Giants to 21 points. That should be enough to win.

Eagles: All-time performance from Brady, and that game is 100% on Belichick.
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Didn't Brady fumble vs the Eagles late in the 4th four years ago?
 
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