Barack Obama to allow 100K Haitians into the US without Visas

[William F. Russell]

Then you don't know Black American history.

Keep making excuses on why you need to leech.

....just like AAs leech off welfare, WIC, section 8, food stamps?

 

[69 others]

Hmmm, I'm highly conflicted on this and for the first time I can see the debate and both sides.

1. Immigrants MUST attempt to integrate into the various communities they move into. I always found it very irritating when people of any race move into a country, use resources and don't attempt to integrate or assimilate with the people around them.

2. America is particularly tricky for black immigrants as it must be acknowledged that there are people who spent their blood, sweat and tears to pave the way for black people in that country to live as human beings, due to this black immigrants of ANY nationality must acknolwedge that, must attempt to integrate with African Americans as it's insulting to come to America, use the resources, programs, oppurtunties African Americans fought for without even acknowledging them. That is insulting. Come to America and distance yourself and turn your nose up at the very people who created the pathway for you fr live there ? nope, nope can't happen.

3. I can understand why immigrants will band together with other immigrants when they first arrive (new land, new language etc) so the presence of these communities are important for their adjustment so I'm not advocating they don't exist but once they've learned the ropes they must begin to integrate.

you can't expect grown folks to move to any land and just drop what their accustom to as far as their children most do partially. as far as contributions when it comes to caribbean people y'all need to check your history, by proportion Caribbean immigrants and their children did more to pave the way than any other group of black people in america. from the first black owned news paper in america, the first black female congress woman, to guys like colin powell and eric holder just to name a few are children of carribean immigrants. some of you need to check yourself and learn your history cause y'all coming off a bit bitter.

 

[Poitier]

There are more non-AA blacks in colleges, grad programs, and in businesses/corporations than AAs. .

No there are not

 

[Poitier]

....just like AAs leech off welfare, WIC, section 8, food stamps?

We fought for the right to vote then voted for welfare

Too bad your country is too poor and crooked to do the same

 

[marcuz]

Y'all basically begged white society to give you those things.

like haitians are begging to come to the US?

 

[William F. Russell]

No there are not

Receipts.

I'll wait.

 

[William F. Russell]

like haitians are begging to come to the US?

We're all doing the same thing in the same struggle.

 

[William F. Russell]

We fought for the right to vote then voted for welfare

Too bad your country is too poor and crooked to do the same

Voted. OK. But those resources you're alluding to were not made for AAs' exclusive use.

You said Haitians come over and exploit resources made specifically for AAs.

You have yet to show me something tangible that AAs have made/built for your AAs' exclusive use (that could theoretically be exploited by immigrants).

 

[Poitier]

Receipts.

I'll wait.

Are you dumb? You made the assertion.

1 million Africans, 3.5 million Caribbean, 44 million African Americans... basic math


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There are more non-AA blacks in colleges, grad programs, and in businesses/corporations than AAs. .

"

We can do a ban bet?

 

[Poitier]

Voted. OK. But those resources you're alluding to were not made for AAs' exclusive use.

Haitians damn sure didn't vote for them.

 

[William F. Russell]

Are you dumb? You made the assertion.

1 million Africans, 3.5 million Caribbean, 44 million African Americans... basic math


"
There are more non-AA blacks in colleges, grad programs, and in businesses/corporations than AAs. .

"

We can do a ban bet?

Receipts.

 

[Poitier]

Receipts.

You made the assertion

Confuse heavily skewed percentages with raw numbers brehs

 

[Theraflu]

These resources aren't exclusively for AAs, as @Poitier was indicating. Those are services provided by the government (for the most part) for all citizens.

I believe Black student scholarship are aimed at blacks in American. Again, not exclusive to AAs. They're available to Africans in American. Jamaicans in America. Haitians in America. The point of those scholars are to benefit BLACK students. And those scholarships (for the most part) are still established and given out by dominant society (white people).

My point is that black community has not developed resources made for AAs' exclusive use. So @Poitier 's beef with Haitians in that regard is off the mark. Haitians are sharing space with AAs. AAs, despite being in the US much longer, do not own the space any more than Haitian immigrants.

And how the hell do you expect immigrants to integrate into a community that isn't even unified? The black community is clearly fragmented so it's almost as if immigrant groups are better off sticking with each other, retaining their culture, and trying to prosper in America.

I think the genuine problem is that AAs are threatened by black immigrants from other countries who retain their cultural identity and outperform AAs academically and professionally in their presence.

I understand as a Haitian it's only right you come into their defence, I'm African so I understand, however we can't begin to rewrite history. These resources and scholarships were for African Americans, it's insulting to the hard work African Americans spent years building for a better standard of living for their children for you to say all those African Americans fighting were doing it for 'blacks in America' or 'Nigerians in America'. No, no that's incorrect. These resources were always for African Americans, fought for by African Americans and died for by African Americans.

'Blacks in America' ofcourse now benefit from the hard work African Americans did but that doesn't mean that the fact they benefit from it means it was initally meant for them.

Is there a reason African Americans will be 'threatened' by Haitains while not being 'threatened' by Nigerians ? Honestly.....

You honestly think this is them being 'jealous' ? lol. funny.

 

[Theraflu]

I've never in my life heard anyone ever mention being jealous of Haitian success, but that's neither here nor there tbh.......

 

[Theraflu]

you can't expect grown folks to move to any land and just drop what their accustom to as far as their children most do partially.

So, if you have no interest in learning about the culture of a place or how they live why move there ? Ofcourse, we all know the answer to that for better oppurtunities and resources. Which goes back to exactly what @Poitier is saying, you have people jumping on planes to use resources who have no interest in integrating culturally. A detriment to the home folks....