Backstage Issues with Ryback vs. CM Punk at Hell in a Cell

[Lucky Millionaire]

I actually think Ryback winning is more likely than Punk winning. Sheamus did beat Cena for the WWE title within six months of his RAW debut. I feel like this could be a case where people miss the forest for the trees with the fantasy booking. It could just involve either man pinning the other or a no contest.

However, if Ryback wins then what? He just beat the #2 /WWE Champion. He has little promo time and after that it's just having regular/squash matches with better talent. The undefeated streak is also restricting where they can go with this match. If he can beat the champ then kayfabe he can beat anyone currently on the roster save Cena. There's no where to go but down from here IMO, word to Tensai.

If anything, this exposed WWE as overly reliant on Cena since now it's Ryback vs Punk all the promos with Foley/Ross don't mean anything since Cena's out. They could have just did an Armageddon-style HIAC w/ qualifying matches on Raw. Have certain wrestlers want to go after the title (you know the most valuable prize in the company) while humbled by the HIAC structure. My suggestions:

Kofi (currently not doing anything, "spot" guy, has history w/ Punk since former tag team champs and his friend)

Ziggler (has done double duty on PPVs before, not officially booked for HIAC, at HIAC he may be WHC already so following Y2J's footsteps)

Orton (Sheamus is tied up so go with the biggest face on SD since Cena's out)

Barrett (also not booked for HIAC, complained to AJ about not doing anything, puts him back in ME scene)

CM Punk

Santino/Kidd/Ryder (underdog face, dark horse, other "spot" guy) OR

Ryback/Mark Henry (tears shyt up, doesn't get pinned) OR

John Cena (automatic ME status, gets his chance against Punk, doesn't do much in the match obviously HIAC could highlight the other guys since we've seen Punk/Cena)

Here Punk can win w/o any controversy, they use the extra time to promote the 6-Man HIAC instead of Foley/Ross/legend getting Punk to fight Cena again, and it covers Cena's absence, and Ryback being pinned.

 

[TrueEpic08]

True but he has the potential to be something. My basis is look at the 2 Rock-Austin matches at WM for the title. The first one Rock and Mankind switched the title like 4 times leading up to it

The 2nd time Kurt Angle held the title pretty much for the whole year leading up to WM and Rock-Austin still headlined and did crazy numbers both times.

I see you with the title reign but the people gonna buy Rock-Punk as a dream match and Rock fighting for the title. It's not about anything CM Punk does from here til the Rumble that counts.

Here's the key difference between Punk's reign and the two reigns you just mentioned there: Neither of those Attitude era reigns had the actual length of the reign at the focus of the champion's character. That's a big, BIG difference that changes the whole way in which you think about the reign. The belt means so much more in that context, so much so that you can't just make snap decisions on a dime like you could 10 or 11 years ago, where star power was more important than the belt.

That comparison just highlights the changes in the contextualization of the belt that makes Punk's fate much more important than Ryback's fate right now.

 

[R=G]

Yeah.the multiple man HIAC idea would of been better. That way Ryback didn't have to lose and could of had Punk at one point. Truth or Kofi could of ate that pin by Punk. shyt is fukking simplistic but they always botch up the easiest shyt.

 

[Golayitdown]

I actually think Ryback winning is more likely than Punk winning. Sheamus did beat Cena for the WWE title within six months of his RAW debut. I feel like this could be a case where people miss the forest for the trees with the fantasy booking. It could just involve either man pinning the other or a no contest.

However, if Ryback wins then what? He just beat the #2 /WWE Champion. He has little promo time and after that it's just having regular/squash matches with better talent. The undefeated streak is also restricting where they can go with this match. If he can beat the champ then kayfabe he can beat anyone currently on the roster save Cena. There's no where to go but down from here IMO, word to Tensai.

If anything, this exposed WWE as overly reliant on Cena since now it's Ryback vs Punk all the promos with Foley/Ross don't mean anything since Cena's out. They could have just did an Armageddon-style HIAC w/ qualifying matches on Raw. Have certain wrestlers want to go after the title (you know the most valuable prize in the company) while humbled by the HIAC structure. My suggestions:

Kofi (currently not doing anything, "spot" guy, has history w/ Punk since former tag team champs and his friend)

Ziggler (has done double duty on PPVs before, not officially booked for HIAC, at HIAC he may be WHC already so following Y2J's footsteps)

Orton (Sheamus is tied up so go with the biggest face on SD since Cena's out)

Barrett (also not booked for HIAC, complained to AJ about not doing anything, puts him back in ME scene)

CM Punk

Santino/Kidd/Ryder (underdog face, dark horse, other "spot" guy) OR

Ryback/Mark Henry (tears shyt up, doesn't get pinned) OR

John Cena (automatic ME status, gets his chance against Punk, doesn't do much in the match obviously HIAC could highlight the other guys since we've seen Punk/Cena)

Here Punk can win w/o any controversy, they use the extra time to promote the 6-Man HIAC instead of Foley/Ross/legend getting Punk to fight Cena again, and it covers Cena's absence, and Ryback being pinned.

Great post....Unless this is some elaborate plan, shooting Ryback into the main event is some of the most short sighted shyt I've ever seen. If they could just do one slow build for a guy, it would do wonders.

 

[R=G]

Here's the key difference between Punk's reign and the two reigns you just mentioned there: Neither of those Attitude era reigns had the actual length of the reign at the focus of the champion's character. That's a big, BIG difference that changes the whole way in which you think about the reign. The belt means so much more in that context, so much so that you can't just make snap decisions on a dime like you could 10 or 11 years ago, where star power was more important than the belt.

The WWE belt was pretty damn important and was put over big. Did you see the Austin/Rock sit down interview before WM 17? There isn't a feud or promo in this era or close to it that has made the WWF/E title mean more than that segment in 2001.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Anderson Silva looks like a skinny fat dude too, next thing you know nikkas here gonna say that it wouldn't be possible for him to enter a Gold's Gym and put the beats on the first dude benching 500+ he sees

Just sayin', the "unbelievable factor" is a reach. Show should be going over everyone all the time and never lose then, by that logic. Khali should be 4749273927392 time world heavy weight champion and so should every monster big man type Vince has pushed in the past.

Lol at bodybuilders being good fighters. Its not even the fact that its still real to these guys, its more just like, how clueless can you be?

 

[seanjohn21276]

I want to see this ppv just to see how the E is going to get themselves out of the corner they've booked themselves into. Everyone knows it's going to be Rock/Punk at the RR so you can't book Punk to lose without derailing his momentum as a heel. Then you can't book Ryback to lose because you'll throw his buildup and momentum as a monster face into the bushes. Ahh, just the fact that the E didn't have a backup plan for Cena getting hurt raises the fukkery meter through the roof.

 

[Art Barr]

I suppose they could have had Punk go out there and bump for Cena.

the west texas wack selling of hbk with clit licking high jinx on full display in that bullshyt match.

complete with hogan's ripoff superstar billy graham wannabe wack workrate inring.

they whole shyt was the huffest of all time.

fukk the clit!


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

Great post....Unless this is some elaborate plan, shooting Ryback into the main event is some of the most short sighted shyt I've ever seen. If they could just do one slow build for a guy, it would do wonders.

in reality, the only original one major promotion slow build me guy they ever really did was cena.
as cena was pretty much groomed since inception as that guy.
so, with such a limited braintrust in power.
we will probably never see this company really figure out how to do what would really draw from a technical level.

this company will do what it always did.
wait till another guy comes through.
they hope fits the bullshyt rubrick of hogun's rocky rocknroll wrasslin gimmick works.

then graft some new parrallel of that gimmick.
over a half competent inring wwe only style worker.

this company is just doing what it already has done.
if you check the legacy of the vkm ownership of this company.
which was already flawed and even mcmahon senior.
vkm's own father happened to say so.

if not for an oscar winning movie franchise trilogy movie.
wrasslin would never have deep domestic soil permeation in america.

vkm just got lucky hogun brought a plan and had mastered the imitation of billy graham.

whom was the last big impact generational pop era star in the legacy of wwwf/wwf/wwe.

if not for rocky,...
wwf would not exist and we would probably only be watching wrasslin as a turner product after he bought out crocket.

which means no nwo, no clique,..and quite possibly a higher quality product.



art barr

 

[23Barrettcity]

I want to see this ppv just to see how the E is going to get themselves out of the corner they've booked themselves into. Everyone knows it's going to be Rock/Punk at the RR so you can't book Punk to lose without derailing his momentum as a heel. Then you can't book Ryback to lose because you'll throw his buildup and momentum as a monster face into the bushes. Ahh, just the fact that the E didn't have a backup plan for Cena getting hurt raises the fukkery meter through the roof.

Am I the only who thinks a ryback pin doesn't end his career ? If he's really talented it won't destroy him he can get sympathy off it .

My ending is heyman tries to interfere throwing in the belt to punk ryback catches him and lays out heyman . While he's doing this punk gets the belt lays laying him out. They play it off as the wily veteran heel getting over on the new comer . Next night ryback comes pissed off and tries to get a title shot but punk refuses ryback fights show or someone else to take out his anger. Causing a feud

 

[The Push Man]

Am I the only who thinks a ryback pin doesn't end his career ? If he's really talented it won't destroy him he can get sympathy off it .

Now this is the question isn't it? We haven't seen him do anything but squash matches, we don't know if he's actually talented. So they really booked themselves into a corner here. They don't know if he can survive a loss at this point in his career, even an interference ridden loss, and they certainly don't know if he can be champion. So if they give him the belt and he flops, that's a career killer, but even if he succeeds they've taken an integral part of the Punk/Rock build out of the picture. I don't think it's worth the risk to give him the belt right now due to the questions over his actual talent, but that's also the reason why I wouldn't give him a pinfall loss in his first main event.

 

[Art Barr]

Now this is the question isn't it? We haven't seen him do anything but squash matches, we don't know if he's actually talented. So they really booked themselves into a corner here. They don't know if he can survive a loss at this point in his career, even an interference ridden loss, and they certainly don't know if he can be champion. So if they give him the belt and he flops, that's a career killer, but even if he succeeds they've taken an integral part of the Punk/Rock build out of the picture. I don't think it's worth the risk to give him the belt right now due to the questions over his actual talent, but that's also the reason why I wouldn't give him a pinfall loss in his first main event.

first, there are two parallels people who watch wrasslin in the interweb community are missing.
one is most of the iwc are people who really are not fully knowledgeable smarts at all.
they are marks with a computer,...
who are easily discernible from real smarts in the iwc.
yet the majority of the population of the iwc are now marks.
who really do not know or understand the carni background of wraslin.
nor the draw based industry that wrasslin inhabits.
so the main detractors of ryback.
are marks, who really do not look further than wwe for wrasslin.
then, have comments about wwe workers. that if you really knew about the wwe fully. you would know that wwe extends to the developmental background of ovw/fcw/njigwp, etc.


of which ryback has a distinct wwe developmental background.
not different from the wwe inring styles of the last anemiac workers that contingent of marks used to mark for.
who used to inhabit or still inhabit the me scene.

so real talk people naysaying ryback being in a wwe inring style me.

have never seen his full work in developmental. to even say that because it is obvious he can work the wwe me inring style.
plus coupled with punk who has mastered the wwe style.
where before his mastery of the wwe me style.
punk's largesf draw is built from being opposite big men. there should be no naysayers of ryback on the internet.
in this setting of hiac or with punk dropping the strap possibly.

if they knew the background of said grapplers in said me work for the hiac.

also,..the naysayers are also giving the wwe me style to much credit.
as punk is the actual worker who up'd the wwe me style in the past year.
of which punk's amalgamation of the style.
will not be included into the legacy of the wwe me style.
after he leaves the me as champion.

secondly, people worried about even ryback as champion.
are not thinking from the conditioning of the typical wwe fan.
plus how patterned that mark/non-smart fanbase has been patterned to accept a talent like ryback as a dominant short match champion.

even in a me as big as mania. not to say ryback could be champion this early and me mania. i am just saying the wwe has made a product. where quite easily ryback could translate to an acceptable wwe draw as champion. who could outdraw or elevate the draw of the promotion currently.

as the perception of this promotion is built long term to be a draw with a guy like ryback.
so, people dreading ryback doing anything really have not bought into what the product of the wwe is really about. which is easily discernible by looking at the bulk of the top draws in the promotion's legacy.
workrate was and is only a fallback plan of this promotion.
it is not made like crocket/stampede/roh promotions was.
as the only time it was built off of workrate aesthetic, as a work.
is when they dropped the ball and oversaturated the market.
with their main ideals of the six foot something big bodybuilder as their main draw.
to turn to the alternative of that direction.
right now, wwe is in the workrate holding pattern.
that it always attempts or will jettison for the body builder model.
so, guys dreading ryback need to dial into the typical premise of the wwe, as a promotion. plus, look into ryback's background as it relates to the wwe me inring style. of which he can work with no issue. as it is not workrste extensive at all.
maybe, this contingent of wwe fans has gotten spoiled from watching an roh workrate based roh/heyman alum work. yet, even if you check punk or even db's past inring work. you can easily see they are neutered workrate wise, in wwe. as inring their workrate is significantly dialed back. even headlining wwe me's opposite one another inring.
their inring work is dialed back. so hopefully someone studies workrate and learns the wwe inring style to see naysaying ryback. in the wwe me scene is actually silly. as ryback came up and was groomed to work the rudimentary wwe me smashmouth style with no issue.


art barr

 

[The Push Man]

@Art Barr
That's all well and good Art but he's said 3 words on a regular basis. You can talk about his workrate all day but that's only one part of being a top guy, this character, Ryback, hasn't shown anything that would be indicative of being a main eventer, not at this point.
I'm not naysaying the guy, he may well turn out to be a good, WWE type, main event guy, but we haven't seen it yet.

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr
That's all well and good Art but he's said 3 words on a regular basis. You can talk about his workrate all day but that's only one part of being a top guy, this character, Ryback, hasn't shown anything that would be indicative of being a main eventer, not at this point.
I'm not naysaying the guy, he may well turn out to be a good, WWE type, main event guy, but we haven't seen it yet.

if you watched him in fcw at the very least.
he can do what any other ovw worked up overprocessed past me guy has done.

now,..he also has the ability to be associated with a real workrate based me guy in punk. whereas in the past ten years. the muscle head or stereotypical me guys the wwe worked up were all just as anemiac.
plus worked up off of a non-workrate me guy in cripple ache.
in the wwe mainevent style. also,..to ryback's credit.
he is not like batista.
where he was originally a failed bodyguard to a failed devon.
then grafted with the wack clit booking bullshyt.
as at least ryback's push is grounded in a real grassroots run.
off of sheer squashes which date back to exactly what the promotion is built solely off of.

also,..in his other incarnation, as skip sheffield.
he always had a charisma and presence as a talker on the mic.
to the point even i was impressed by his yep yep what it do.
as i found it outdated and whiteboy corny, but i still recognized his quality kn the mic.
so, ryback really is catching flack from people not familiar with him at all whatsoever. as it is obvious if you peep his work for close to a decade now in wwe developmental. he was ahead off the curve as a speaker originally than most.

plus, he had the physical look to succeed if given the gimmick/look that could work. before as skip he was like jr's young muscle bound long horn sporting nephew. yet there was no jr around to connect the audience to his cornbread fed cornhusker long horn look.

now, he is repackaged in a gimmck that caught on.
before he was able to establish he could talk.

ryback can talk,..so people saying he can not.
could have not looked at his actual work.

he had a little toolbox as skip. which included charisma as a speaker that was refreshing as an addition to his physoque as a musclehead.
now as ryback he just needs the oppurtunity and the right script/direction from creative.
i also, know he is a better speaker than goldberg ever was as a talent.
plus a better speaker than brock. before brock ramped up in angles opposite of kurt angle.

art barr

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

the fact they didnt just do an armageddon six man hiac is dumb, there are plenty solid names to fill in that spot and it most likely could draw
maybe because you have the Elim Chamber you dont want six guys in a cage fighting for the top belt? okay...just put 4 guys in

Punk, Orton, Barrett, Ryback

This shyt has to have a finish imo even though idc about last months finish logically. We've seen punk vs cena plenty of times and will likely see it several more times...but you got ryback, who is over but isn't cross over over and has been built up as a monster vs the guy who has held the title for nearly an entire year, is the top heel, and is headed on to face the rock...