Ava DuVernay On Black Panther Meeting "It really wasn't going to be an Ava DuVernay film"

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

I never got how Killmonger got so much shine and so many good lines when he’s the one dying at the end and not gonna be in any sequels and nerfed the stars. The super intelligent, out for vengeance T’Challa from civil war never happened clearly

Because Coogler and Wallace are damn near joined at the hip..he is gonna give his boy all kind of shine

 

[Easy-E]

Because she wasn’t specific. She’s pretty much made it clear if she does a franchise movie in the studio system it has to be on her terms. The idea that she wanted it to be whatever cats are afraid it would be when most of the material she’s done is about strong black men remaining strong while also propping up strong black females as well, is silly to me. It’s being afraid of a thing when all the evidence shows the complete opposite.

For me, I'm just doing some clowning and throwing more shots at Coates' version.

But, I'm still using critical thinking with missing facts. The "studio system" critique still doesn't speak to her actual vision.

I don't know what you mean about "strong black men remaining strong." In terms of making Black Panther, 13 nor Selma gives me an idea.

And think we throw all black expression in two boxes of good and bad. And as long as she didn't make Soul Plane 2: Electric Bogolo we are supposed to think she'd do a good job.

Sorry, I don't have the same worldview as Ava Duvernay because she's a black woman.

Coates BIGGEST problems with Black Panther;

1) He wasn't a comic book fan (Ava isn't)

2) He's never worked in this world so he smashed his paradoxical writing style into a comic book and made for a boring read

3) His narrow liberal views not being reconciled with the actual world of Wakanda--he saw a black man with an all female guard and could not deal with the fact that they would all submit to his command or they dressed, in what would be considered sexist by Western standard (despite nudity is looked at different in Africa). We do not need a "strong black female lead" forced into the story of T'Challa. I'm tired of social issues having to weight down the production of black main character stories.

Sidebar: Writing a story of about the Dora Milaje revolving against T'Challa would've made a interesting story. BUT, you do not start a superhero comic literally deconstructing him as a tryant he's never been. And try to sell us on a miniseries about two characters we don't care about because they are lesbian Dora Milaje.

Spoiler: World of Wakanda

I'm going in, a bit, but, while I can hear an argument for her doing a good job, don't paint me as sexist or dense because I wouldn't want her anymore near BP.

I see her world view and I see how that's clashed with Black Panther and comic adaptations before. Another example was Luke Cage needing two women throughout the whole Netflix run. That "black king" shyt doesn't fly, anymore.

 

[Easy-E]

Literally no one acknowledges the pairing outside of the BP book. No x-men book mentions it, no avengers book (even tho BP is the current leader/chairman), even BP being gone in the "intergalactic" timeline is ignored, and he's in these other books and events as if the shyt in Coates book never happened.

Instead of giving BP a new love interest and building new shyt with the greater marvel sandbox, we get these bullshyt retreads of old shyt. This fool plot points from 2012 that already been resolved. BP and Storm already been resolved, and it'll be bushed once again when he leaves because it's already not taken seriously or recognized by anyone else. Which is actually a blessing lol.

T'Challa & Nakia >>>

She's actually Wakandan

She's actually got history with T'Challa

It would actually be a realistic change from Wakandan Army/Special Forces or whatever to Queen of Wakanda

And I'm realizing now she wasn't even a comic book character.

Ryan did a good job, in one movie, making her way more compatible, lore wise

The Storm shyt is disrespectful because there actually a man in her world than deserves that place (Forge)

But, '(Insert popular Black male superhero) + (Insert popular Black female superhero) = Let's marry 'em'

 

[YakSpiller]

Lol plus Michael B was the worst actor in the whole film

He was awful.

Killmonger the most overrated/over-hyped character in the MCU.

I personally think Winston Duke should've been Killmonger. Michael B wasn't intimidating or scary at all, Winston got that presence.

This.

 

[Rell84shots]

He was awful.

Killmonger the most overrated/over-hyped character in the MCU.



This.

 

[YakSpiller]

It is what it is homie.

 

[loyola llothta]

T'Challa & Nakia >>>

She's actually Wakandan

She's actually got history with T'Challa

It would actually be a realistic change from Wakandan Army/Special Forces or whatever to Queen of Wakanda

And I'm realizing now she wasn't even a comic book character.

Ryan did a good job, in one movie, making her way more compatible, lore wise

The Storm shyt is disrespectful because there actually a man in her world than deserves that place (Forge)

But, '(Insert popular Black male superhero) + (Insert popular Black female superhero) = Let's marry 'em'

So Nakia is the character they reworked for the film. Just like the spiderverse....with good writers you can make things better

I want see what they do with storm

 

[Easy-E]

He was awful.

Killmonger the most overrated/over-hyped character in the MCU.

One thing I been saying;

You can tell the the parts of the script where Mike was like "Oh, shyt, black people gon love this part" the way he adds this weird, uneven emphasis on his lines.

• The scene in the museum
• The scene where him and T'Challa fought on the water fall
• The end where he's dying--like, that line is tough if delivered better, but, it's so cheesy

The problem with the Killmonger love is 85% of it is based on shyt that doesn't happen in the movie nor has anything to do with Michael's acting job.

So Nakia is the character they reworked for the film. Just like the spiderverse....with good writers you can make things better

I want see what they do with storm

Reworked masterfully, I even bough into her not really wanting to be queen

But

Storm is an X-Men, my guy She should have nothing to do with him--I want Storm to do here thing in the X-Men film

 

[loyola llothta]

i am glad she didnt put her name on that. having the cia come off as even a neutral, let alone positive force in african affairs while making killmonger the primary problem bothered me

Maybe thats why but i doubt it. She was booed up with Harvey and shyting on MJ with throwing shots at black people

 

[loyola llothta]

One thing I been saying;

You can tell the the parts of the script where Mike was like "Oh, shyt, black people gon love this part" the way he adds this weird, uneven emphasis on his lines.

• The scene in the museum
• The scene where him and T'Challa fought on the water fall
• The end where he's dying--like, that line is tough if delivered better, but, it's so cheesy

The problem with the Killmonger love is 85% of it is based on shyt that doesn't happen in the movie nor has anything to do with Michael's acting job.



Reworked masterfully, I even bough into her not really wanting to be queen

But

Storm is an X-Men, my guy She should have nothing to do with him--I want Storm to do here thing in the X-Men film

If we keep it real, storm is not even a character anymore. Kind of like john in DC

The writers dont do anything with her. Its like the white writers have some jungle fever type obsession how they write storm

 

[loyola llothta]

You mean the woman who brought us one of the best documentaries of the racist U.S. prison system and the injustice of the Central Park 5? Yeah I'm sure she would have totally destroyed the "masterpiece" that is Black Panther. She probably would have eliminated Ross' non essential goofy white appeasing role, had better CGI in the final fight scene, and would have cut T'Challa opening up Wakanda for colonizers to ravage.

I'm so glad we didn't get to see her version /end sarcasm

I said one of the best superhero film. Not masterpiece. Dark knight still rank number one for me

I already saw what Ava did with that big budget disney film. She dropped that ball with her vision

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I said one of the best superhero film. Not masterpiece. Dark knight still rank number one for me

I already saw what Ava did with that big budget disney film. She dropped that ball with her vision

It was really be hard to make while Black Panther was easy I guess? I'll let them tell it. lol

 

[Jello Biafra]

Notice you didn't mention the movie she did instead. A Wrinkle in Time. I didn't see it, but I also have no desire to either. lol
Would it have had the best African Diaspora theme in a movie? Probably not.

The script and pacing of A Wrinkle in Time were a mess but visually the movie was stunning so I have no doubt Ava would have delivered a beautiful movie.
There is also nothing about Ava as a director that makes me question whether she would have been committed to celebrating the African culture and diaspora in a way that is necessary for a Black Panther movie.

 

[phillycavsfan]

I said one of the best superhero film. Not masterpiece. Dark knight still rank number one for me

I already saw what Ava did with that big budget disney film. She dropped that ball with her vision

To be fair all movie adaptations of A Wrinkle In Time have failed, mainly because you need so much exposition in a movie for kids to understand it makes it impossible to create a good movie.

 

[Zero]

Quarantine got nikkas reheating old beef

And yall got plates out like