Atheism is destroying black minds.

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:mjlol:......I ain't religious. I'm just not anti-religious because that's what 'White' people want you to do.
im curious when that changed because white people pushed for blacks to BE religious when the oppression was the worst :ehh:

on a separate note, i bet you wouldnt answer this simple yes/no question; was jesus god/the son of god?
 

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the cac mamba said:
im curious when that changed because white people pushed for blacks to BE religious when the oppression was the worst :ehh:

Since 1831 in response to Nat Turner's Rebellion. That's when the oppression became the worst.

It became illegal to teach ALL 'Black' people to read and write, and they were forbidden from holding religious meetings. This period lasted for 30 years until the end of the Civil War.
the cac mamba said:
on a separate note, i bet you wouldnt answer this simple yes/no question; was jesus god/the son of god?

Question makes no sense.​
 
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That is completely dependent upon how one defines 'religion'.
religion is a belief system on the basis of ideology. essentially you are attaching yourself to an ideology. unwaveringly so, otherwise you simply have theories or hypothesis subject to change given new information. which is how things should be if your a flexible open minded human being. Religion is the antithesis of that.




True.​



That's because many of the atheists on this board don't know they're illogical and the very first thing they'll state about a 'Higher Power' is what I stated about extraterrestrials.

Thanks for proving they are.

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So you are essentially admitting that your initial statement was illogical.

As I personaly never made any claim about not accepting the possibility of some higher power or entity, or big electron etc. So you can't be talking about me... But I'm willing to beet any atheist who had issue with the notion was probably understanding it from a purely religious sense. Also, where the arguments those atheists faced with in the form of "Things can't be the way they are WITHOUT a higher power?", because i could see how they would take issue with that statement. Especially if it is being used to justify belief in a specific religion

also why do you have a negative sam harris quote in your sig? are you an agnostic leaning toward religion? you don't do well to stay ambiguous.
 

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AngryBaby said:
religion is a belief system on the basis of ideology.​

ALL ideologies are 'belief systems'.​

AngryBaby said:
So you are essentially admitting that your initial statement was illogical.

What I'm re-stating is something I said before this website even existed:

'Atheism is illogical.'

What has transpired here is how and why I came to that conclusion over 20 years ago.

Rather than try and convince people who hold that ideology that they are illogical, I found it more expedient to let them see it for themselves by example.

As far as MY ideology is concerned, under the circumstances, it is COMPLETELY logical compared to the extremes represented thus far in this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism

That's why I keep saying that those arguing against me are using a straw man.

Religion is open-minded to new information. That's why these 'arguments' against it continue to fail.

They're all 200-years or more out-of-date.

I find the Sam Harris quote hilarious.

:popcorn:
 
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ALL ideologies are 'belief systems'.​

No, religion is a system in the sense that there are typically rules, an origin story, or some infrastructure associated with it. See the very definition of religion:

"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

Or
"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:"

Or
"an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods" - webster

now if you are trying to twist the idea of religion into your own vague new age thing where none of that applies then YOU are the one pulling straws my friend.​




As far as MY ideology is concerned, under the circumstances, it is COMPLETELY logical compared to the extremes represented thus far in this thread:

Lol and what are those "extremes"? And are those "extremes" beliefs or simply theory? Considering the fact that you thought the completely mathmatically reasonable assertion the we are probably not the only life in the entirety of the universe, was something you couldn't accept, then im curious to see what else is """"extreme""" for you


Religion is open-minded to new information. That's why these 'arguments' against it continue to fail.

Not if it conflicts with, denounces, or debunks the religion itself​
 

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ALL ideologies are 'belief systems'.​



What I'm re-stating is something I said before this website even existed:

'Atheism is illogical.'

What has transpired here is how and why I came to that conclusion over 20 years ago.

Rather than try and convince people who hold that ideology that they are illogical, I found it more expedient to let them see it for themselves by example.

As far as MY ideology is concerned, under the circumstances, it is COMPLETELY logical compared to the extremes represented thus far in this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_noncognitivism

That's why I keep saying that those arguing against me are using a straw man.

Religion is open-minded to new information. That's why these 'arguments' against it continue to fail.

They're all 200-years or more out-of-date.

I find the Sam Harris quote hilarious.

:popcorn:
How is NOT having a belief illogical?

And religion isn't open to anything new. Its the BELIEVERS who keep creating shyt.
 

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Black church was a proxy for black activism and freedom fighting. They just used the cover of church to fool/placate slavemasters. It was brilliant. They didnt give a fukk about the religion that was forced on them once their original religions were stolen.

Now its just another avenue for pimps and degenerates
 

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I'm at the point in my life where I've lost my faith, and I don't see it recovering.

I've been a Christian for years. Loved "God" with all my heart. Never the type to force my beliefs on other people though. That's lame.

Recently I've began wondering why have I never heard from god? I'm saved, prayed, believed, did things for other people not to just make god happy, but because it was genuinely in my heart. The normal. Then the more I began to read, the more I began to realize this is bullshyt. How am I suppose to believe that people were physically being transformed into other things? How am I suppose to believe that a human being was in a whale's body for THREE DAYS AND SURVIVED? How am I suppose to believe that Jesus walked on water? How am I suppose to believe that Jesus turned water into wine? Why does none of this shyt happen today?

Then on top of that, you hear people preaching, and people talking about how god's plan for their life is different than what they wanted, but they accept it. So for example, if I wanted a career in Human Resources, but god's plan for me is to have a career as a journalist I'm suppose to be ok with that especially considering I don't care much for journalism? THAT IS BULLshyt. A pastor called me on Thursday. He told me he honestly never wanted to be a pastor. He wanted to be a business owner, and business dealings never happened the way he wanted still to this day. He admitted that he doesn't even like speaking when he's chosen to preach for the Bishop when he's out of town. WHAT? He even admitted that a lot of people who claim to hear from god don't hear from god.

So then, if god was real, then theoretically he would be a horrible deity. Why would he let people who love him dearly go through so much suffering? Why would he torture people & families by letting wrongfully convicted people go to prison for 10, 20, 30 years? Why let horrible people get the luxuries? Oh, because the horrible people are gonna go to hell, and the suffering are gonna go to heaven? So basically you have to suffer to get into heaven? What kind of bullshyt is that? I'm not saying life should be easy, but the shyt I've seen Christians go through just shouldn't have to happen to them.

You know what the worst part is? I really wanted to believe it. Because it would be such a wonderful thing. But I just can't. It won't effect my moral code though. I'll continue to help people when possible, and do what's always been in my heart. Generosity, kindness and love. This isn't the Holy Bible. This is the Holy Ducktales.
 
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I'm at the point in my life where I've lost my faith, and I don't see it recovering.

I've been a Christian for years. Loved "God" with all my heart. Never the type to force my beliefs on other people though. That's lame.

Recently I've began wondering why have I never heard from god? I'm saved, prayed, believed, did things for other people not to just make god happy, but because it was genuinely in my heart. The normal. Then the more I began to read, the more I began to realize this is bullshyt. How am I suppose to believe people that people were physically being transformed into other things? How am I suppose to believe that a human being was in a whale's body for THREE DAYS AND SURVIVED? How am I suppose to believe that Jesus walked on water? How am I suppose to believe that Jesus turned water into wine? Why does none of this shyt happen today?

Then on top of that, you hear people preaching, and people talking about how god's plan for their life is different than what they wanted, but they accept it. So for example, if I wanted a career in Human Resources, but god's plan for me is to have a career as a journalist I'm suppose to be ok with that especially considering I don't care much for journalism? THAT IS BULLshyt. A pastor called me on Thursday. He told me he honestly never wanted to be a pastor. He wanted to be a business owner, and business dealings never happened the way he wanted still to this day. He admitted that he doesn't even like speaking when he's chosen to preach for the Bishop when he's out of town. WHAT? He even admitted that a lot of people who claim to hear from god don't hear from god.

So then, if god was real, then theoretically he would be a horrible deity. Why would he let people who love him dearly go through so much suffering? Why would he torture people & families by letting wrongfully convicted people go to prison for 10, 20, 30 years? Why let horrible people get the luxuries? Oh, because the the horrible people are gonna go to hell, and the suffering are gonna go to heaven? So basically you have to suffer to get into heaven? What kind of bullshyt is that? I'm not saying life should be easy, but the shyt I've seen Christians go through just shouldn't have to happen to them.

You know what the worst part is? I really wanted to believe it. Because it would be such a wonderful thing. But I just can't. It won't effect my moral code though. I'll continue to help people when possible, and do what's always been in my heart. Generosity, kindness and love. This isn't the Holy Bible. This is the Holy Ducktales.
To sum it up in once sentence: The shyt just doesn't make any logical sense. Prolific posting homie and I feel your struggle as I had similar revelations (no pun intended) recently
 

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AngryBaby said:
No, religion is a system in the sense that there are typically rules, an origin story, or some infrastructure associated with it. See the very definition of religion:

"a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

Or
"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:"

Or
"an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods" - webster

now if you are trying to twist the idea of religion into your own vague new age thing where none of that applies then YOU are the one pulling straws my friend.​

No need to 'twist' anything since the definition I use is as follows: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

Your definition(s) of 'religion' is based on what it was, not what it is.
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Lol and what are those "extremes"? And are those "extremes" beliefs or simply theory? Considering the fact that you thought the completely mathmatically reasonable assertion the we are probably not the only life in the entirety of the universe, was something you couldn't accept, then im curious to see what else is """"extreme""" for you

LOL. The 'extremes are that some 'deity' exists vs. a 'deity' does not exist. Considering the fact that I made that assertion with a specific goal in-mind, it wasn't 'unreasonable' since I got the desired result.

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Not if it conflicts with, denounces, or debunks the religion itself

There can't be a conflict with something that has no coherent ontology and/or is so vague that it can't be proven wrong.

Word to Richard Feynman.​
 
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