Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

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then what is disbelief based upon?
like i said, it is based on whatever the particular atheist wants it to be based on. they are not a group in the same way muslims are a group. they have no official ideology, the only thing that they all have in common is disbelief in deities
 

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my view on death is sort of traditiobn, and possibly mutual, death of a important person to you should always have a proper burial (without all those chemicals, help environment) and should be honoured accordingly.
 

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wrong, look at you, you are still alive and kicking
That has nothing to do with me.

Now back to the thread premise.

Do you not see the irrationality of a symbolic gesture of a funeral, especially that of an atheist? Or perhaps your ability to symbolize is the same ability that Christians or Muslims utilize when they look to the world and the people in it?


Doesn't sound so irrational now does it?
 

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like i said, it is based on whatever the particular atheist wants it to be based on. they are not a group in the same way muslims are a group. they have no official ideology, the only thing that they all have in common is disbelief in deities
What exactly is a disbelief in this case? Is it because you haven't seen enough? Do you refuse to observe what others may see? Is the idea so far fetched that it cannot possibly be true? Are there reams of facts that disprove?

More on topic, wouldn't a funeral, at minimum, be just as irrational for an atheist as would believing in God/gods/deities when the option of cremation, scientific donation of the cadaver and/or family gatherings to celebrate or mourn seem more inline and less symbolic, religious or ritualistic? Or are atheist just as symbolic and ritualistic as their theist counterparts?
 

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What exactly is a disbelief in this case? Is it because you haven't seen enough? Do you refuse to observe what others may see? Is the idea so far fetched that it cannot possibly be true? Are there reams of facts that disprove?

More on topic, wouldn't a funeral, at minimum, be just as irrational for an atheist as would believing in God/gods/deities when the option of cremation, scientific donation of the cadaver and/or family gatherings to celebrate or mourn seem more inline and less symbolic, religious or ritualistic? Or are atheist just as symbolic and ritualistic as their theist counterparts?
what case? there is no case. we are just discussing atheists as a whole. nobody mentioned any specific atheist...

and i guess i will say this again, rationality is only one of the reasons somebody might be atheist. not all atheists share the same reasons for being atheist, so trying to poke holes in all atheist's logic is pointless. you seem to be so stuck on some kind of straw man of an atheist, maybe one youve debated with in the past. since atheists dont really have a dogma, you cant prove them to be inconsistent in the abstract, breh. maybe you need to just study on what atheism means before going any further. it is simply the absense of belief in deities. anything else is up to the individual, so you could never use one argument against them all, you got it?
 

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what case? there is no case. we are just discussing atheists as a whole. nobody mentioned any specific atheist...

and i guess i will say this again, rationality is only one of the reasons somebody might be atheist. not all atheists share the same reasons for being atheist, so trying to poke holes in all atheist's logic is pointless. you seem to be so stuck on some kind of straw man of an atheist, maybe one youve debated with in the past. since atheists dont really have a dogma, you cant prove them to be inconsistent in the abstract, breh. maybe you need to just study on what atheism means before going any further. it is simply the absense of belief in deities. anything else is up to the individual, so you could never use one argument against them all, you got it?

You are the case I am speaking of.

What is the logic or rationale of an atheist having or attending a funeral where prayers are said, the body is decorated and adorned and symbolic gestures given? Are there atheist that believe in an afterlife is what I am trying to point towards?
 

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You are the case I am speaking of.

What is the logic or rationale of an atheist having or attending a funeral where prayers are said, the body is decorated and adorned and symbolic gestures given? Are there atheist that believe in an afterlife is what I am trying to point towards?
you could say im agnostic, i neither believe or disbelieve. i see no reason to have an opinion on deities since there is no proof of them, but i also feel no need to assert that there are none because i could never really know that

now, given that you know that about me, i go to funerals because i am a humanist, i think life is valuable, i love my friends and family so death is tragic enough to put me into a grieving process that can be helped by being in the presence of loved ones, hearing new things about the deceased that i never knew about them from others that knew them, etc. and i think as a symbolic gesture it is good for the community to see life appreciated since it might in some way impact people's behavior toward each other while alive
 
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