Religion/Spirituality Atheism and the black community...good read

[Blackking]

Personally, I don't know any black atheists, at least that I'm aware of. So all I have to go off is the coli. And these nikkas are disrespectful and condescending as fukk. So nobody should give a fukk if they wanna boo hoo. These fakkits need to suck it up. They're the minority and most people don't like them with just cause.

Why would anyone abandon their life's guide to join a bunch of ignorant acting, intolerant fakkit lovers?

I'm just saying. Atheists brought the hate upon themselves.

Most atheist in real life.... aren't like this. But there only 2 or 3 atheist on here that don't fit ur description like a muthfaka.

Also, I feel what ur saying... but you can't call them intolerant then, use the phrase "intolerant fakkit lovers" - they will call you out on that sh1t (in HL)

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I mean, I went to visit my mom today.. she knew I was coming.... And I said I'm starving. She made porkchops

my mom hits me a week before last saturday on some, "I bought the girls (my two nieces) dresses for church on Easter, can [my daughter] go?" steez.

and in the irony of all ironies... my daughter's name (i didnt get to name her cuz I was the 'other guy') is Trinity.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I guess it can be difficult for an atheist in a religious nation. But Adults should be able to handle anything. I mean, I went to visit my mom today.. she knew I was coming.... And I said I'm starving. She made porkchops

Plus she has a socalled pic of Jesus on the wall.

And she has a strong personality... but most people just want you to listen to their pov, so it's whatever.

Fried or baked?

 

[Blackking]

i said what i said

until reality meets up w/ the internet, then this is a dismissable internet side show
lol at ostracized and rejected
fukk a stat sheet. the black experience cannot be quantified. and i dont need a chart to tell me how me and mines get down

according to the current black/gay media circus and polls and studies , black people reject gay people w/ virtual unanimity but even the most flamboyant of them walk around black america in the HEART OF THE HOODS w/ impunity and pride. all up in the church whereever they please. ud get ran on as a regular dude than much quicker than a dude w/ lipstick and eyeliner.but u wont find a poll saying that, so i guess it aint a viable point for the internet

i say all that to say

if they can find their niche, you all can too. this aint a serious issue

I think you're identifying religion too strongly with its utilitarian element. Atheism holds no claim to a general or universal kind of political or social liberation for anyone, nor is that necessarily why people end up not being religious. There are specific critiques atheists have levelled within Black institutions- at megapreachers sucking up money, at people being distracted by Conservative politicians though moral issues like gay marriage while those same politicians continue to erode Black progress, etc, but none of those need to necessarily come from atheists.

The issue is more personal. It's more about atheists being allowed to be who they are without being seen as less Black for it. There is currently a sense in some quarters that you can't be part of a Black community at all if you're an atheist. You get shunned or seen as a sellout of some kind, despite several great Black leaders and thinkers being atheist.

Mr. Flim Flam - you're correct, this gay sh1t is none factor for us. We shouldn't discriminate against gays, but they aren't one of the things we should even worry about or support. Their mostly frivolous issues aren't beneficial to our communities and traditional family structures have historically made communities on Earth stronger. Also, in the Real life black community discrimination against atheist isn't a big deal and is only an issue if you come from a closed minded family.

At the Real, and truepic.... I live in the Middle of Detroit, I moved from the suburbs back home because I just got tired of being outside my people. We do it big with all the stereotypical sh1t of a black community, including Church. Regardless, the 'your not black because you're atheist' is an internet fantasy played out on message boards by people who aren't individually strong enough to walk w a high head in the middle of opposition.
There was a time in the early 00's when being Muslim came with all sorts of bs. My own father til this day calls two of my son's terrorist babies, just because of their Islamic names. Doesn't matter... the type of Black men that can't handle sh1t like this, is USEless to our community anyway - it's that weakness, however it's represented, that is rejected in our communities,, as it should be.

 

[Blackking]

Fried or baked?

Fried.. smelled good as sh1t.. and I wasn't always religious so I know how it taste

She's a 'born again' so she does alllllllll sorts of slick to me all the time. It's kinda disrespectful.

 

[Blackking]

my mom hits me a week before last saturday on some, "I bought the girls (my two nieces) dresses for church on Easter, can [my daughter] go?" steez.
and in the irony of all ironies... my daughter's name (i didnt get to name her cuz I was the 'other guy') is Trinity.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Fried.. smelled good as sh1t.. and I wasn't always religious so I know how it taste

She's a 'born again' so she does alllllllll sorts of slick to me all the time. It's kinda disrespectful.

LMAO!!! Mamas can be like that sometimes when they don't share your ideals or values....But we love em to death regardless...


I bet them chops were off the chain...


A nikka aint had no swine since the year started, that's why I asked.....


I miss it....

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Mr. Flim Flam - you're correct, this gay sh1t is none factor for us. We shouldn't discriminate against gays, but they aren't one of the things we should even worry about or support. Their mostly frivolous issue aren't beneficial to our communities and traditional family structures have historically made communities on Earth stronger. Also, in the Real life black community discrimination against atheist isn't a big deal and is only an issue if you come from a closed minded family.

At the Real, and truepic.... I live in the Middle of Detroit, I moved from the suburbs back home because I just got tired of being outside my people. We do it big with all the stereotypical sh1t of a black community, including Church. Regardless, the 'your not black because you're atheist' is an internet fantasy played out on message boards by people who aren't individually strong enough to walk w a high head in the middle of opposition.
There was a time in the early 00's when being Muslim came with all sorts of bs. My own father til this day calls two of my son's terrorist babies, just because of their Islamic names. Doesn't matter... the type of Black men that can't handle sh1t like this, is USEless to our community anyway - it's that weakness, however it's represented, that is rejected in our communities,, as it should be.

to this entire post

 

[Blackking]

Solution. Do as others have done and be strong. I know this is going to be seen as a joke... but if atheist want a solution then they can clearly look at the story of Muhammad, rip. If they followed that path, in their own way, they will be a force and become slightly relevant. Also, if you guys believe you are THE voice of reason, logic, and progression for us then I suggest you get started.



EDIT: don't go around killing people.... you know what I mean.

 

[TrueEpic08]

At the Real, and truepic.... I live in the Middle of Detroit, I moved from the suburbs back home because I just got tired of being outside my people. We do it big with all the stereotypical sh1t of a black community, including Church. Regardless, the 'your not black because you're atheist' is an internet fantasy played out on message boards by people who aren't individually strong enough to walk w a high head in the middle of opposition.
There was a time in the early 00's when being Muslim came with all sorts of bs. My own father til this day calls two of my son's terrorist babies, just because of their Islamic names. Doesn't matter... the type of Black men that can't handle sh1t like this, is USEless to our community anyway - it's that weakness, however it's represented, that is rejected in our communities,, as it should be.

This post is so hypermasculine (the other ridiculously huge problem among Black men. I abhor it more than Black Christianity), exclusionary and blind to itself that it doesn't merit a response beyond this.

If you don't understand why I wrote this, then there's nothing else to be said.

 

[The Real]

At the Real, and truepic.... I live in the Middle of Detroit, I moved from the suburbs back home because I just got tired of being outside my people. We do it big with all the stereotypical sh1t of a black community, including Church. Regardless, the 'your not black because you're atheist' is an internet fantasy played out on message boards by people who aren't individually strong enough to walk w a high head in the middle of opposition.
There was a time in the early 00's when being Muslim came with all sorts of bs. My own father til this day calls two of my son's terrorist babies, just because of their Islamic names. Doesn't matter... the type of Black men that can't handle sh1t like this, is USEless to our community anyway - it's that weakness, however it's represented, that is rejected in our communities,, as it should be.

You're not making sense here. It has nothing to do with opposition. It has to do with people ostracizing you, which is not the same as insulting you. If a community excludes you, holding your head up or whatever vague solution you're suggesting won't magically make you part of that community again. Worse, look at the posts in this thread. When atheists do "walk with heads high," including openly stating their beliefs, they're accused of being arrogant, petty, or disrespectful- not accepted for being "strong."

Basically, you're trying to have it both ways right now. When atheists complain, they're weak. When they act proud, then they're arrogant, mean, and disrespectful. This is exactly part of the problem.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

aight ima fukc wit you niccaz tomorrow, I got people fallin through for dranks n spades n shyt... some of em are Christians, so like my favorite rapper

Enemies n

 

[Blackking]

This post is so hypermasculine (the other ridiculously huge problem among Black men. I abhor it more than Black Christianity), exclusionary and blind to itself that it doesn't merit a response beyond this.

If you don't understand why I wrote this, then there's nothing else to be said.

I know what you mean. I think that hypermasculity is a problem for us and something that stems from our brainwashing.

However, strength doesn't have to be this sh1t. Actually our strength is something that as gotten us this far. I don't mean walk around spitting on the ground grabbing our d1cks, smacking fakkits, and going to the strip club with the preacher.

I'm saying standing up for any and all beliefs. There are atheist that feel in all black people were atheist we would be better off. IF you feel this way then get off that cry baby rejection sh1t and stand up. Collectively we have larger issues and the weak just aren't very useful in those regards. Think about our civil rights leaders... which one of them do you think would be making pity us threads?

 

[TrueEpic08]

I know what you mean. I think that hypermasculity is a problem for us and something that stems from our brainwashing.

However, strength doesn't have to be this sh1t. Actually our strength is something that as gotten us this far. I don't mean walk around spitting on the ground grabbing our d1cks, smacking fakkits, and going to the strip club with the preacher.

I'm saying standing up for any and all beliefs. There are atheist that feel in all black people were atheist we would be better off. IF you feel this way then get off that cry baby rejection sh1t and stand up. Collectively we have larger issues and the weak just aren't very useful in those regards. Think about our civil rights leaders... which one of them do you think would be making pity us threads?

Nothing about this is about strength. Really, this is about the ability to live freely. One shouldn't have to summon strength for that. More importantly, if one takes issue with the way in which a community excludes its peers for a given reason, their expression of it shouldn't be dispensed with on account of not having enough strength or fortitude.

I'm just taking issue with an aspect of a monolith that I detest. And honestly, while I would like to see it happen, I don't give a damn for some imaginary Black community and it's future as much as I care for the ability of individuals to express themselves and perform themselves freely.

I'm sick of everything being reduced to "our" in among Blacks. "Our" is recalcitrant and stultifying. It mutes indefinitely, as does "strength". I am myself, who chooses to take issues with what he pleases as he pleases before, long before, I am a member of the Black community (even if I will always be seen as Black before I am seen as myself, yet another element of "Blackness" and images of Blackness that I dislike), as should all others. That requires no "our" and no "strength", just insight and knowledge of desires.

(And if you or anyone else thinks that this is a "self-hatred" or "anti-Blackness" post, you're severely missing the point.)

 

[Blackking]

You're not making sense here. It has nothing to do with opposition. It has to do with people ostracizing you, which is not the same as insulting you. If a community excludes you, holding your head up or whatever vague solution you're suggesting won't magically make you part of that community again. Worse, look at the posts in this thread. When atheists do "walk with heads high," including openly stating their beliefs, they're accused of being arrogant, petty, or disrespectful- not accepted for being "strong."

Basically, you're trying to have it both ways right now. When atheists complain, they're weak. When they act proud, then they're arrogant, mean, and disrespectful. This is exactly part of the problem.

You screen name is The Real though...

You're really gonna sugarcoat the atheist on here and say... "look when they do speak up see what happens to them." Yo I never attacked u. Ever. There are the OP and about 9 others like the op that I attack because they are exactly "arrogant, mean, and disrespectful". Get Real, you know the arrogant post that are typical of atheist.

And religion isn't even something that comes up in our communities that much expect on Sun. That bish at the club who's a Christian, who might be at church the next day isn't gonna take her panties off and be like... " wait, hold on... are you a believer?" If I was an atheist right now, I would not be rejected by any of my friends or 'by the community'. There are black community leaders that are atheist.. they are also not crybabies and they bring value in the form of social activism. Black people do not reject those who have their best interest in mind... sh1t, we don't even reject those that have our detriment as their goal. We may not be as open as white people, but they don't have to focus on the sh1t that we should be focused on... they can do all these random things and support of these frivolous causes.