At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball

[Ozymandeas]

I truly cannot wait until the next Jordan comes in the league. It's gonna be apparent from day one that he's forreal and once he gets 3-4 rings, we're gonna collectively look at Lebron like and never have these debates again.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Rhakim in here embarassing himself, again.

I've had that nikka on ignore since 2017

 

[Ozymandeas]

I mean, Isiah was right. In the 80s, the Celtics and the Lakers were the kings of the league so why would he give a sh*t about Jordan?

Jordan was just a 30 point scoring nat to him.

He is capping though on saying he "dominated" Jordan. A more magnanimous answer would be to say Jordan could score all he wanted but, he couldn't beat us all as a group.

 

[CHICAGO]

Tonight was a great example of how ignorant people like you are.

The #30 ranked offense in the NBA just scored 45 in the 4th against the Lakers defense. They were a missed Wembanyama free throw away from going to overtime (or worse). Without Bron out there, the Lakers defense is food. With Bron out there, they're one of the best in the league. And you think he's not a difference maker on that end?

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[Professor Emeritus]

Seems like lakers defense is food when AD isn’t playing. You were negative about spurs dropping 119 on lakers without bron. But they just turned around and put 129 on them without ad and with bron.

Sure cam reddish didn’t play 24 minutes. But dangelo’s negative defense didn’t play either.

Y'alls reading comprehension is ass.

I never said that Bron could singlehandedly hold the Laker defense together with no AD and no Cam. I said he orchestrates the TEAM defense. You can't orchestrate the team defense if you ain't got no defenders to orchestrate. Hayes was fukking horrible in that game, Christie was useless, Reaves and Prince stay getting burned. Plus Ham played Vandy even less in the Bron game (just 13 minutes) than he did when AD/Cam there. So who exactly was playing defense in that game other than Bron?

Other poster was saying that Bron was a net negative on defense and AD singlehandedly holds things together. I said that AD is a great defender, but Bron is too, and Lakers need both of them to work. The Spurs burned the Lakers' defense when AD and Cam were both in there but Bron gone, and the Spurs burned the Lakers' defense when Bron was in there and AD/Cam both gone. Right now they need all three for it to work cause they have no bigs to defend other than AD, and they have no leaders with defensive IQ other than Bron.

 

[jaydawg08]

Y'alls reading comprehension is ass.

I never said that Bron could singlehandedly hold the Laker defense together with no AD and no Cam. I said he orchestrates the TEAM defense. You can't orchestrate the team defense if you ain't got no defenders to orchestrate. Hayes was fukking horrible in that game, Christie was useless, Reaves and Prince stay getting burned. Plus Ham played Vandy even less in the Bron game (just 13 minutes) than he did when AD/Cam there. So who exactly was playing defense in that game other than Bron?

Other poster was saying that Bron was a net negative on defense and AD singlehandedly holds things together. I said that AD is a great defender, but Bron is too, and Lakers need both of them to work. The Spurs burned the Lakers' defense when AD and Cam were both in there but Bron gone, and the Spurs burned the Lakers' defense when Bron was in there and AD/Cam both gone. Right now they need all three for it to work cause they have no bigs to defend other than AD, and they have no leaders with defensive IQ other than Bron.

This narrative that Bron doesn't play defense, is probably one of the biggest casual takes with him.. It really lets you know who actually watches the games, and who just comments on the NBA

I'd say the only thing LeBron does poorly on defense, is he will occasionally not close out on 3's in the beginning of games or coming out of the half. Sometimes its by design with a poor 3pt shooter, and other times it's simply because he's 39 and it's too much energy to race out to the 3pt line after helping on a drive when it could be better spent running the offense

AD is the engine of the defense.. the scheme is literally tailor-made for him.

LeBron is the engine of the offense

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I've had that nikka on ignore since 2017

Yet I have dozens of posts of you @ing me in the 2020s responding to my exact arguments. I guess you tried to delete my number but can't keep me out of your mind.

What THE fukk are you talking about? Why is it every time I see your name @JACK! or @Rhakim name in my quotes I know it’s about to be some Bron slurping going on.

Was Kobe in his prime in 2010? I know you’re going to have a bullsh*t answer so I’ll save you. He wasn’t. You’re smart. Stop playing dumb. No man is in his physical prime at 31 or 32.

@Rhakim You’re so full of sh*t. Kobe was not in his prime in 2010. What is it with Bron Stans and their inability to tell the truth about anything I’m done talking to y’all nikkas. All of y’all are stupid and disingenuous.

Jordan was not in his prime for all of his rings dikkhead. Specifically 96 through 98.

Pau would barely be a #3 player today.

Put him on the 2021 Nets or the 2017 Warriors or the 2012/13 Heat or 2020 Lakers and he’s far down the roster in terms of importance.

at Howard, Steve Nash and Metta World Peace being a super team compared to Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Rondo, and elite shooters. And if Boogie was healthy it would’ve been another star player. Y’all worse with Trump fans with the lies.

It took you ten minutes to research and write all this garbage Give Kobe Rondo, Dwight Howard, and Anthony Davis and he’s winning rings. Give Jordan that squad and he’s winning rings. I don’t want to hear nothing you have to say. You’re full of sh*t.

I'm still dying that he claimed the 2020 Lakers with Bron, AD, and then a bunch of discarded leftovers were a "super team" but the 2013 Lakers with Kobe-Dwight-Pau-Artest-Nash were not.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This narrative that Bron doesn't play defense, is probably one of the biggest casual takes with him.. It really lets you know who actually watches the games, and who just comments on the NBA

I'd say the only thing LeBron does poorly on defense, is he will occasionally not close out on 3's in the beginning of games or coming out of the half. Sometimes its by design with a poor 3pt shooter, and other times it's simply because he's 39 and it's too much energy to race out to the 3pt line after helping on a drive when it could be better spent running the offense

AD is the engine of the defense.. the scheme is literally tailor-made for him.

LeBron is the engine of the offense

Yup. Ham's entire scheme is to force all the offense into the middle and then AD disrupts it. When AD is gone and Hayes is back there? Then Hayes picks up 5 fouls in 19 minutes and the Lakers are fukked. They literally have no defensive bigs on the team other than AD. Bron's proven that he can hold the defense together for short stretches, at times even playing the 5 himself (like he did a lot last year), but they're going to be exploited going an entire game that way unless they change up their schemes.

 

[Shadow King]

Y'all still asking a 39 year old to do something no one else has done?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I truly cannot wait until the next Jordan comes in the league. It's gonna be apparent from day one that he's forreal and once he gets 3-4 rings, we're gonna collectively look at Lebron like and never have these debates again.

Comparing age-to-age, how many years in MJ's own career would it take before you could say he was undeniably superior to Bron?



This was their respective career trajectories. Worth remembering that pace was way faster in the 80s and early 90s, way slower in late 90s and 00s:


18/19yo: MJ 3rd option on a college team that wins tourney (14-4-2), LBJ 1st option on 35-win NBA team that doubled its wins from previous year (21-6-6)

19/20yo: MJ got upset early in ACC and NCAA tourneys (20-6-2), LBJ went 42-40 in the NBA but missed playoffs (27-7-7)

20/21yo: MJ got upset early in ACC and NCAA tourneys (20-5-2), LBJ won 50 games and took the champ Pistons to 7 in the ECSF (31-7-7)

21/22yo: MJ wins 38 games but loses to Bucks in 1st round (28-6-6), LBJ won 50 games and gets swept by Spurs in the Finals (27-7-6)

22/23yo: MJ wins 30 games (injured) and swept by Celtics in 1st round (23-4-3), LBJ won 45 games and took Celtics to 7 in the ECSF (30-8-7)

23/24yo: MJ wins 40 games and swept by Celtics in 1st round (37-5-5), LBJ won 66 games and loses in 6 to Magic in ECF (28-8-7)

24/25yo: MJ wins 50 games and loses in 5 to Pistons in ECSF (35-6-6), LBJ won 61 games and loses in 6 to Celtics in ECSF (30-7-9)

25/26yo: MJ wins 47 games and loses in 6 to Pistons in ECF (33-8-8), LBJ won 58 games and loses in 6 to Mavs in Finals (27-8-7)

26/27yo: MJ wins 55 games and takes Pistons to 7 in ECF (34-7-6), LBJ won 57 games (if 82-game pace) and wins title over Thunder (27-8-6)

27/28yo: MJ wins 61 games and wins title over Lakers (32-6-6), LBJ won 66 games and wins title over Spurs (27-8-7)

28/29yo: MJ wins 67 games and wins title over Blazers (30-6-6), LBJ won 54 games and loses to Spurs in 5 in Finals (27-7-6)

29/30yo: MJ wins 57 games and wins title over Suns (33-7-6), LBJ won 53 games (injuries) and takes Warriors to 6 in Finals (25-6-7)

30/31yo: MJ sucks at baseball, LBJ won 57 games and wins title over 73-win Warriors (25-7-7)

31/32yo: MJ gives up at baseball and then loses to Magic in 6 in ECSF (27-7-5), LBJ won 51 games and loses to Warriors in 5 in Finals (26-9-9)

32/33yo: MJ wins 72 games and wins title over Sonics (30-7-4), LBJ won 50 games and gets swept by Warriors in Finals (28-9-9)

33/34yo: MJ wins 69 games and wins title over Jazz (30-6-4), LBJ won 37 games (injuries) and misses playoffs (27-9-8)

34/35yo: MJ wins 62 games and wins title over Jazz (29-6-4), LBJ won 60 games (if 82-game pace) and wins title over Heat (25-8-10)

35/36yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 48 games (injuries, and 82-game pace) and lost to Suns in 1st round (25-8-8)

36/37yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 33 games (injuries) and missed playoffs (30-8-6)

37/38yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 43 games (injuries) and got swept by Nuggets in ECF (29-8-7)

38/39yo: MJ wins 37 games (injuries) and misses playoffs (23-6-5), LBJ on pace for 45-50 wins and.....? (25-8-7)

39/40yo: MJ wins 37 games and misses playoffs (20-6-4), LBJ.....?




Considering the pace differences, when do you even say the actual Jordan "clearly surpassed" Bron? There's no case there before the second three-peat....so around 34 or 35 at the earliest, if even then? And you want to pretend that someone "the next Jordan" is just going to come into the league and look clearly better than Bron now? What was MJ doing before his mid-30s that LBJ didn't do at the same time just as well?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Y'all still asking a 39 year old to do something no one else has done?

They're gloating over a 10-point loss with a starting lineup of Christie, Reaves, Prince, and Hayes.

Meanwhile, Jordan at the exact same age with Rip/Laettner was getting blown out 94-75 by the fukking Cavs led by Ricky Davis and Jumaine Jones.

Wizards vs Cavaliers, November 27, 2001 | Basketball-Reference.com

WAS (75) vs CLE (94). Get the box score, shot charts and play by play summary of the Wizards vs Cavaliers, November 27, 2001.

www.basketball-reference.com

 

[fifth column]

Yet I have dozens of posts of you @ing me in the 2020s responding to my exact arguments. I guess you tried to delete my number but can't keep me out of your mind.
















I'm still dying that he claimed the 2020 Lakers with Bron, AD, and then a bunch of discarded leftovers were a "super team" but the 2013 Lakers with Kobe-Dwight-Pau-Artest-Nash were not.

Was the 2022 Lakers a super team?

 

[fifth column]

Comparing age-to-age, how many years in MJ's own career would it take before you could say he was undeniably superior to Bron?



This was their respective career trajectories. Worth remembering that pace was way faster in the 80s and early 90s, way slower in late 90s and 00s:


18/19yo: MJ 3rd option on a college team that wins tourney (14-4-2), LBJ 1st option on 35-win NBA team that doubled its wins from previous year (21-6-6)

19/20yo: MJ got upset early in ACC and NCAA tourneys (20-6-2), LBJ went 42-40 in the NBA but missed playoffs (27-7-7)

20/21yo: MJ got upset early in ACC and NCAA tourneys (20-5-2), LBJ won 50 games and took the champ Pistons to 7 in the ECSF (31-7-7)

21/22yo: MJ wins 38 games but loses to Bucks in 1st round (28-6-6), LBJ won 50 games and gets swept by Spurs in the Finals (27-7-6)

22/23yo: MJ wins 30 games (injured) and swept by Celtics in 1st round (23-4-3), LBJ won 45 games and took Celtics to 7 in the ECSF (30-8-7)

23/24yo: MJ wins 40 games and swept by Celtics in 1st round (37-5-5), LBJ won 66 games and loses in 6 to Magic in ECF (28-8-7)

24/25yo: MJ wins 50 games and loses in 5 to Pistons in ECSF (35-6-6), LBJ won 61 games and loses in 6 to Celtics in ECSF (30-7-9)

25/26yo: MJ wins 47 games and loses in 6 to Pistons in ECF (33-8-8), LBJ won 58 games and loses in 6 to Mavs in Finals (27-8-7)

26/27yo: MJ wins 55 games and takes Pistons to 7 in ECF (34-7-6), LBJ won 57 games (if 82-game pace) and wins title over Thunder (27-8-6)

27/28yo: MJ wins 61 games and wins title over Lakers (32-6-6), LBJ won 66 games and wins title over Spurs (27-8-7)

28/29yo: MJ wins 67 games and wins title over Blazers (30-6-6), LBJ won 54 games and loses to Spurs in 5 in Finals (27-7-6)

29/30yo: MJ wins 57 games and wins title over Suns (33-7-6), LBJ won 53 games (injuries) and takes Warriors to 6 in Finals (25-6-7)

30/31yo: MJ sucks at baseball, LBJ won 57 games and wins title over 73-win Warriors (25-7-7)

31/32yo: MJ gives up at baseball and then loses to Magic in 6 in ECSF (27-7-5), LBJ won 51 games and loses to Warriors in 5 in Finals (26-9-9)

32/33yo: MJ wins 72 games and wins title over Sonics (30-7-4), LBJ won 50 games and gets swept by Warriors in Finals (28-9-9)

33/34yo: MJ wins 69 games and wins title over Jazz (30-6-4), LBJ won 37 games (injuries) and misses playoffs (27-9-8)

34/35yo: MJ wins 62 games and wins title over Jazz (29-6-4), LBJ won 60 games (if 82-game pace) and wins title over Heat (25-8-10)

35/36yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 48 games (injuries, and 82-game pace) and lost to Suns in 1st round (25-8-8)

36/37yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 33 games (injuries) and missed playoffs (30-8-6)

37/38yo: MJ retired, LBJ won 43 games (injuries) and got swept by Nuggets in ECF (29-8-7)

38/39yo: MJ wins 37 games (injuries) and misses playoffs (23-6-5), LBJ on pace for 45-50 wins and.....? (25-8-7)

39/40yo: MJ wins 37 games and misses playoffs (20-6-4), LBJ.....?




Considering the pace differences, when do you even say the actual Jordan "clearly surpassed" Bron? There's no case there before the second three-peat....so around 34 or 35 at the earliest, if even then? And you want to pretend that someone "the next Jordan" is just going to come into the league and look clearly better than Bron now? What was MJ doing before his mid-30s that LBJ didn't do at the same time just as well?

What did MJ do? Climbed the stairs while Lebron took the elevator. The journey is just as important as chasing the result. Lebron is still chasing greatness and missed the lesson along the way.

There is a lot that goes into becoming the goat than you Bron worshippers fail to understand. MJ won the NCAA chip, 1984 Olympic gold, 1992 Olympic gold, 6-0 in NBA chips. Both Lebron and MJ have great individual stats and accolades but determining who is greater is based on domination over competition. That simply means winning is the main course and stats is the side dish.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What did MJ do? Climbed the stairs while Lebron took the elevator. The journey is just as important as chasing the result. Lebron is still chasing greatness and missed the lesson along the way.

There is a lot that goes into becoming the goat than you Bron worshippers understand. MJ won the NCAA chip, 1984 Olympic gold, 1992 Olympic gold, 6-0 in NBA chips. Both Lebron and MJ have great individual stats and accolades but determining who is greater is based on domination over competition.

Bulls had six top-11 picks in MJ's first five years on the team, which brought them three future all-stars and starters on a title team.


Bron gave the Cavs 7 years and they hadn't put jack shyt around him. I'm sure if he waited another 2-3 years, then JJ Hickson, Anderson Varejao, and Boobie Gibson were just about to develop into starters on a title team?

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]