At This Moment, Where Is John Cena On The All Time List?

[Reality Check]

Right, Im The Troll

Fallen right into his vortex.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I can't take some of y'all seriously and I don't hide it.

GOT IT?

 

[Liquid]

The Rock
Stone Cold
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
Andre the Giant
Macho Man Randy Savage
Eddie Guerrero
Vader
Jake the Snake Roberts
Rick Rude
Arn Anderson
Razor Ramon
Sting
Great Muta
Mr. Perfect
Legion of Doom
Steiner Brothers
Bret Hart
Goldberg
Ricky Steamboat
Undertaker
Edge
Tully Blanchard
Lex Luger
Warrior
Bam Bam Bigelow
Bob Backland
Bruno Sammartino
King Kong Bundy
Sid Vicious
Tawada
Misawa
Tanahashi
Roddy Piper
Bad News Brown
Owen Hart
Chris Jericho
Demolition
Ted Dibiase


Off the top of my head, he's not even in their league. He's lazy, needs commentary to do promos for him, burys his peers which is why everything is boring week in and week out, is protected to no end, has the silliest comebacks you'll ever see, can't sell for shyt either physically or a moment during a promo, panders to audiences that hates him which makes absolutely no sense and is the definition of bytch made..just a very bad top pro wrestler. Now...people are used to his bullshyt at this site that they overhype his matches which involve a multitude of these things....you could never have a 5 star match if you no sell a RKO then two minutes later and slap on a fukking STF as if you no sold it like old school Taker or Goldberg from 98. Beyond stupid. Silly. Child like. Boring. Just the worst kind of wrestling known to man in 2013. The shyt at Summerslam 2010 is about as goofy as you'll see in the 2000s..DDT'd on the concrete and wins like 50 seconds later by eliminating two guys back to back. Absurd. Where's that GIF of him running in the ring at the 9 count and then falling right back down? That's a John Cena. The reason the wrestling business is in a runt and why Part Timers need to be used in the first place.

You are better than this

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[InstantKlassik]

I can't take some of y'all seriously and I don't hide it.

GOT IT?

Yep...the feeling is mutual

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

You are better than this

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No, no he's not.

 

[R=G]

You are better than this

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I know what I am and tragically I know what Cena is as well. Cena is a true corporate Yes man. He's not legit in the least. Never really was..his success comes from the distractions of others. He can't create a boom period. Doesn't have any sort of classic moments except for MAYBE the Rock match since everyone has seen that by now and maybe One Night Stand 2006. That's about it.

If you would rather watch Cena over the prime era of those guys, more power to you. There's not too many real wrestling fans or causal ones at that who would agree..that's for damn sure.

Fallen right into his vortex.

Another convenient one liner after hiding out for weeks

 

[Reality Check]

Another convenient one liner after hiding out for weeks

 

[Silkk]

I know what I am and tragically I know what Cena is as well. Cena is a true corporate Yes man. He's not legit in the least. Never really was..his success comes from the distractions of others. He can't create a boom period. Doesn't have any sort of classic moments except for MAYBE the Rock match since everyone has seen that by now and maybe One Night Stand 2006. That's about it.

If you would rather watch Cena over the prime era of those guys, more power to you. There's not too many real wrestling fans or causal ones at that who would agree..that's for damn sure.




Another convenient one liner after hiding out for weeks

Individual wrestlers are responsible for boom periods?

 

[R=G]

Let's see...Hogan got hot? Huge money in the 80s.
Hogan turned heel? Huge honey in the mid 90s.
Austin got the WWE title? Huge money in the late 90s
Rock turned face? Huge money in 2000s

John Cena becomes WWE Champion? Needs Donald Trump, Floyd Mayweather, Undertaker streak matches, and the Rock to bail him out from having ALL TIME low WM shows What a sorry son of a bytch.

 

[Silkk]

Let's see...Hogan got hot? Huge money in the 80s.
Hogan turned heel? Huge honey in the mid 90s.
Austin got the WWE title? Huge money in the late 90s
Rock turned face? Huge money in 2000s

John Cena becomes WWE Champion? Needs Donald Trump, Floyd Mayweather, Undertaker streak matches, and the Rock to bail him out from having ALL TIME low WM shows What a sorry son of a bytch.

Everything ALWAYS comes back to The Rock SMH

So between Austin's Boom Period & The Rock's Boom Period It Stopped & Started Again?

 

[jadillac]

What does being better in the ring have to do with his star power? Flair was never hotter than Goldberg, Rock, Austin, or Hogan at any point. Ever. He became a consistent down south draw in the 80s but he wasn't a once in a lifetime type difference maker. Flair was big down south for a period but Rock, Hogan, and Austin were selling out every arena they touched in Japan, Europe, Austrailia, and Africa. It's not even the same coin.

I threw that in as a sidenote....oh, and you can DAMN WELL BET if The Rock was a great ringmaster you'd be throwing that in.


But you're off your rocker, Flair RAN the South like I said and definitely had crossover appeal. And he was still big in places like Japan at the same time. If he had been in WWF at the time, he would've been made into the same type of star.

And for all intents and purposes, he did it longer than Hogan. It can be argued that Hogan was only Hulk Hogan from WM 1-WM 8 or so. After that his appeal started to die and went to WCW and sucked.....then he had to turn heel to revive his career.
Austin, and I love him as my favorite, BUT he was only Stone Cold from like 98-03, and after 01 or so he started to wane.

At any given point from the mid 80's to the mid 90's, Flair was still a huge draw for WCW/NWA. He wont be remembered as a bigger cash cow, but he was VITAL to the survival of WCW/NWA and whatever other feds he was in. But that really doesnt mattter b/c Cena has probably drawn more money than Flair and you damn sure are not gonna tell me Cena is better than Ric Flair.

 

[showtime]

The Rock
Stone Cold
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
Andre the Giant
Macho Man Randy Savage
Eddie Guerrero
Vader
Jake the Snake Roberts
Rick Rude
Arn Anderson
Razor Ramon
Sting
Great Muta
Mr. Perfect
Legion of Doom
Steiner Brothers
Bret Hart
Goldberg
Ricky Steamboat
Undertaker
Edge
Tully Blanchard
Lex Luger
Warrior
Bam Bam Bigelow
Bob Backland
Bruno Sammartino
King Kong Bundy
Sid Vicious
Tawada
Misawa
Tanahashi
Roddy Piper
Bad News Brown
Owen Hart
Chris Jericho
Demolition
Ted Dibiase


Off the top of my head, he's not even in their league. He's lazy, needs commentary to do promos for him, burys his peers which is why everything is boring week in and week out, is protected to no end, has the silliest comebacks you'll ever see, can't sell for shyt either physically or a moment during a promo, panders to audiences that hates him which makes absolutely no sense and is the definition of bytch made..just a very bad top pro wrestler. Now...people are used to his bullshyt at this site that they overhype his matches which involve a multitude of these things....you could never have a 5 star match if you no sell a RKO then two minutes later and slap on a fukking STF as if you no sold it like old school Taker or Goldberg from 98. Beyond stupid. Silly. Child like. Boring. Just the worst kind of wrestling known to man in 2013. The shyt at Summerslam 2010 is about as goofy as you'll see in the 2000s..DDT'd on the concrete and wins like 50 seconds later by eliminating two guys back to back. Absurd. Where's that GIF of him running in the ring at the 9 count and then falling right back down? That's a John Cena. The reason the wrestling business is in a runt and why Part Timers need to be used in the first place.

Funny thing is you can add SO MANY names to this list u could even throw some divas on the list like Trish and Mickie.

Yawn Cena is top 10 all-time in selling wristbands congrats I guess Rey Mysterio is top 10 all-time as well

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

realistically he's top 10, arguably top 5

personally he'd be in like my top 50 i guess. but i cant deny what he's done and his ability to stay on top and ride for the company.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Who made more money than him then, other than those three? Name names. You can’t because there isn’t anyone else.

The top guys in the 60’s/70’s/early 80’s only headlined one or two shows a month. NWA guys like Flair and Dusty regularly wrestled in front of crowds of less than 1000. Guys like Savage and Piper were number two guys. Guys like Warrior, Sting and Goldberg had one huge drawing match in their entire careers. Guys like Bret and Shawn just didn’t draw, period.

As of 2008 Cena had already made more money than anyone in company history except Austin and Hogan. And again, in 2010 he alone was worth ONE HUNDRED AND TEN MILLION DOLLARS to WWE according to actual business analysts. Since Cena took over in 2005 WWE has done great business. 7 of the 8 years he’s headlined they’ve produced HUGE net revenue. The only disappointing year was because of money wasted on the movie division and Linda’s senate campaign.



You talking B squad house shows headlined by bums like Randy Orton and CM Punk? Because Cena headlined shows still do good business.

And if “the product draws, not Cena” then why do shows he’s not advertised for draw terribly while shows he is advertised for well? Why do main events with Cena hold up in the ratings then when it’s Bryan/Punk/Orton or anyone else who isn’t either Cena or a returning attitude era star usually flop?

One thing: Punk's segment ratings started trending upward and above the average after May/June 2012.

Names (and let's confine it to drawing over time in the US and Canada. Cena would be killed if we opened this up to Japan and Mexico): Flair (that claim you made about NWA crowds is ridiculous, almost troll-worthy), Andre the Giant, Sammartino, Triple H (they're the same type of draw, but Hunter has longevity and Attitude era years on his side, even if Cena is slightly hotter overall as a draw), and he's probably running around even with guys like Savage and Bret (Bret drew huge internationally. As a matter of fact, him drawing huge internationally probably helped the WWF survive the shyttier parts of the early 1990s).

Do you even know what WWE makes a gigantic chunk of their money off of? TV rights. Which Cena has nothing to do with. One of their other major revenue streams, PPVs, has been proven to not move with Cena's presence or absence. And Cena's impact on live events is negligible, barely significant. Cena makes less money for them than even they'd like to admit.

And since you want to call me out, where are YOU getting your numbers from? First of all, you got the figure wrong. Second of all, the word you're going on is just what WWE told people in press releases after he got the Fruity Pebbles and was PASSED ALONG by reporters as a "WWE says/claims" deal, not any hard numbers in stockholder reports (the above revenue streams? Mentioned in stockholder reports). For all we know, the advertising and PR department made that up, since I've never seen it corroborated by hard data.

Take Liggins' example. He doesn't have to make shyt up to make an argument for Cena's worth to WWE (though he does lightly troll people every so often, no offense).

 

[El Cocodrilo]

Like others have pointed out, you can easily name a shytload of wrestlers above Cena in the all-time list.
The only reason some of you are fooled into ranking Cener so high is cause he has artificially had his spot as "the man" held for him for long after the fans got tired of his stale bullshyt.

I dont even hate Cena but his apparent greatness is just a matter of us living in the era that he has been made poster boy for. The Rock, Austin, Hogan had the interest of the world naturally, none of it was forced and when Cena is long long gone he will be on par with Bob Backlund or Lex Luger... not with true legends like Macho, Flair or HBK.