At This Moment, Where Is John Cena On The All Time List?

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CENA SHOULD HAVE STOLEN MY SHIRT-RIPPING GIMMICK, BROTHER! THAT ALWAYS ENCOURAGED FANS TO RIP THEIR OWN HULK MERCH, SO THEY HAD TO BUY MORE, DUDE! I TRULY AM THE GREATEST MIND IN THE BUSINESS, MEAN GENE!
 

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Like others have pointed out, you can easily name a shytload of wrestlers above Cena in the all-time list.
The only reason some of you are fooled into ranking Cener so high is cause he has artificially had his spot as "the man" held for him for long after the fans got tired of his stale bullshyt.

I dont even hate Cena but his apparent greatness is just a matter of us living in the era that he has been made poster boy for. The Rock, Austin, Hogan had the interest of the world naturally, none of it was forced and when Cena is long long gone he will be on par with Bob Backlund or Lex Luger... not with true legends like Macho, Flair or HBK.

Exactly, Cena will be booed at his hall of fame induction because nobody respect's him because he's not very good but get's forced to be "the guy" The fan's never chose Cena he was booed against freakin JBL at WM 21 for his first title win. Fan's chose Hogan, Savage, Bret, HBK, Austin, The Rock to be the guy. The WWE picked Cena and forced him to be the guy because they were so desperate and had nobody to be the next guy so they forced him to be the guy. Just because he's BOOKED to be "the guy" and win a lot of fake matches does not make him good but I guess it's still real to some people :snoop:
 

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I threw that in as a sidenote....oh, and you can DAMN WELL BET if The Rock was a great ringmaster you'd be throwing that in. :rudy:

When it comes to drawing and star power? It means nothing.


But you're off your rocker, Flair RAN the South like I said and definitely had crossover appeal. And he was still big in places like Japan at the same time. If he had been in WWF at the time, he would've been made into the same type of star.

Like you said and who are you? Flair was a big deal down south but he didn't transcend anything. He didn't mean more than Hogan during his run..Hogan was more mainstream and international. Flair put in the work to be called great but he wasn't the #1 guy in the world of wrestling. Macho Man vs Hogan at WM 5 was bigger than any Flair program in the NWA or WCW.


And for all intents and purposes, he did it longer than Hogan. It can be argued that Hogan was only Hulk Hogan from WM 1-WM 8 or so. After that his appeal started to die and went to WCW and sucked.....then he had to turn heel to revive his career.
Austin, and I love him as my favorite, BUT he was only Stone Cold from like 98-03, and after 01 or so he started to wane.

Flair turned face several times..did fake retirement storylines with Vader as the heel. Had several fukking matches with Hogan. Flair kept turning to stay fresh too..it's much easier to be heel than face. That's why the Hogan heel turn was so shocking and impactful..he was the face of the era and went the other direction. it automatically made him the unapologetic leader of WCW and had them beat Raw and all of their champions in succession in direct competition. Flair can't claim that.

Austin had to retire due to neck injuries and was clearly frustrated. You should know that already though.


At any given point from the mid 80's to the mid 90's, Flair was still a huge draw for WCW/NWA. He wont be remembered as a bigger cash cow, but he was VITAL to the survival of WCW/NWA and whatever other feds he was in. But that really doesnt mattter b/c Cena has probably drawn more money than Flair and you damn sure are not gonna tell me Cena is better than Ric Flair.


No doubt. Flair was a big deal and always drew but never on the Hogan level. His heel turn put them over the top and Sting being face became must see every time he appeared.

Cena is not better than Flair and he's only really drawn in merchandise..he's not soley responsible for PPVs..he's not that vital. Fans cheered him getting injured and the announcement of him coming back. He's a joke.
 

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@R=G you may have a very biased opinion, but i can at least say you present it in ways thats humorous unlike the dikksucking fakkit(s) of TSC :russ:
 
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How did the fans not choose Cena when they got behind his wigga heel gimmick? Cena became the face of the WWE off the strength of a midcard cannon fodder gimmick. That's like Robbie E. becoming an international wrestling superstar with his Jersey Shore ripoff gimmick. Or Rock getting over with Flex Kavana. :heh: Cena wasn't hand picked anything with a wigga heel gimmick. He just parlayed a deavors express situation into eight years of dominance. No one else did that. Clap for him. :win:
 

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They got behind it..they turned on it. Like nothing we've never seen since X-Pac in 1999. X-Pac used to be VERY popular in the NwO and DX. Legitimately. But they treated him like he was the biggest heel in pro wrestling but it was worst than that. They comically would do super loud X-Pac chants whenever he would grab the mic or wrestle on television while being dead for any of his offense. He was like a wrestling punchline with his lame bronco busters and goofy looking karate kicks and shyt. Rocking the same outfit for 5 years str8. Cena is on top and getting punked out like that...dude is shytted on at HOF ceremonies. So he definitely hasn't been chosen for quite some time..welll for nearly 8 years. That's how long fans been shytting on him. He couldn't even stay over like a real top face for 6 months after winning the belt. He gets no sold at anything he does outside of the WWE. He doesn't bring numbers to any movie they put him in. He's supposed to be a draw but his presence added nothing during Punk's reign and numbers stayed low..like they are now in the post Rock season of the WWE.

The wigger gimmick was never heading towards a firing. It saved his life after Toronto chanted CENA SUCKS during some jobber match on Smackdown where he looked like he was about to cry and then left television and came back on Halloween talking like a goofball. When he was rapping, you could tell that was gonna get cheered. Well..if you had any sort of insight and sense on the times but you could also or should of been able to tell that fans were gonna eventually get really sick of that shyt.
 
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