Associated Press: Obamacare to raise health care insurance premiums by 20% to 100%

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Hiphoplives4eva said:
Is there any one here cheering in support of the military industrial complex? People and their strawman arguments...:smh:
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Ok but obamacare isn't the problem :rudy: we waste all kinds of money on helping the rich and corporations but now we should draw the line on helping the middle class :wtb:
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It's not a strawman. If you have such a problem with the debt, then there are plenty of other issues for you to go after. Why go after something that helps the middle class? There are plenty of other places to get the money from. Why not advocate getting the money from all the other waistful spending that goes on.

And in real life terms what does the national debt do to you? Why are you so affraid of it? Do you really think Obamacare will make the country go broke.
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Basically . They can't come up with any other solution to try and cut the deficit ( which isn't happening with all this bipartisanism nonsense and showboating in Washington ) but stop programs that help the middle class or the poor? Of course Medicaid and obamacare should be the cuts lol . Dan Carlin is right our government is broken , it was clearly designed for a small nation .
It's almost impossible to reform the government without some kind of revolution
 
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So the agency responsible for helping to enforce the implementation of the Healthcare Law has a union seeking to exempt themselves from the very same law ... :heh: .... you can't even make this up ...

"IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare"
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread961563/pg1


http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-employee-union-we-dont-want-obamacare/article/2533520

IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare
By JOEL GEHRKE | JULY 26, 2013 AT 11:45 AM


IRS employees have a prominent role in Obamacare, but their union wants no part of the law.
National Treasury Employees Union officials are urging members to write their congressional representatives in opposition to receiving coverage through President Obama’s health care law.
The union leaders are providing members with a form letter to send to the congressmen that says “I am very concerned about legislation that has been introduced by Congressman Dave Camp to push federal employees out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and into the insurance exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.”
The NTEU represents 150,000 federal employees overall, including most of the nearly 100,000 IRS workers.

Like most other federal workers, IRS employees currently get their health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which also covers members of Congress.
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.
“Camp has long believed every American ought to be exempt from the law, which is why he supports full repeal,” Camp spokeswoman Allie Walker said.
“If the Obamacare exchanges are good enough for the hardworking Americans and small businesses the law claims to help, then they should be good enough for the president, vice president, Congress and federal employees,” she also said.
“The NTEU represents Internal Revenue Service employees who have the responsibility to enforce much of the health insurance law, especially in terms of collecting the taxes and distributing subsidies that finance the whole system,” said Paul Kersey, director of Labor Policy at the Illinois Policy Institute.
“IRS agents will also collect data and apply penalties for those who fail to comply with many of Obamacare’s requirements,” Kersey said.
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88m3 said:
story turned out to be complete bullshyt fyi
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*sigh*

*waits patiently for link showing a valid rebuttal that the information is "total bullshiit"

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Obamacare was a good idea back when it was obamacare, Just like the stimulus his party didnt back him enough and we got a watered down shytty version. The insurance and big pharma lobbyists wrote obamacare. Obama wants to do good and you can tell, but his party sucks. They never back him when he needs it. Imagine how great the country would be doing right now if Obama was the republican and had the GOP behind his brilliance :blessed:. Instead we have a broken political system. Heres a newsflash: nothing gets through congress and signed by Obama without MAJOR corporate backing. I cant wait for him to write his post-office book, he will really unleash some frustrations there.

Nothing people say will ever change the fact that obamacare was Romney's baby. We can al guess the kinds of guys Romney was working with for legislation.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/07/18/obamacare-premiums-not-so-high-after-all/

And that's an article on FOX News.


I'm personally undecided on whether Obamacare will ultimately be a good thing - single-payer would be preferable, but I understand that it's not politically viable. I'd say I lean toward Obamacare being at least somewhat of an improvement, but we'll see. Still, it kind of annoys me that people want it to fail just because they hate Obama.

The healthcare situation in the U.S. sucks, so even if you disagree with the ACA for ideological reasons, it's very petty and spiteful to actually want it to fail. I mean these are people's livelihoods and lives we're talking about. :smh:
 
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88m3 said:
maybe if you stayed off your conspiracy websites for a few days your brains wouldn't be turning to shyt

http://thinkprogress.org/health/201...th-insurance-premiums-will-plunge-50-percent/
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A. As typical you avoid the information presented and go off on a tangent ...... refute the article that I presented ...Is the IRS union trying to avoid being underneath National Healthcare law??? ....... do that first.
B. The site you picked is obviously based on the title alone is liberal, the site I found is apparently somewhat conservative (I don't buy into ithe left/right game personally), so how does that makes the site a conspiracy site (a term you attempt to use to degrade the information).
C. I'm not saying premiums may go down, they may updo so, they may not in other places. I'm somewhat neutral on the whole law, but obviously it has some issues, otherwise all these businesses wouldn't be attempting to force their workers onto less than 30 hour workweeks to avoid paying health insurance, as they feel it would hurt their ability to generate revenue .. ... Is that a conspiracy too?? :beli:

Here is an article from a few months ago...not just businesses are doing this to their employees, but cities like Long Beach IN CALIFORNIA .. @BarNone are cutting back hours because of the ramifications of law, from their standpoint ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ours-avoid-obamacare-report-article-1.1333305

In the process, the employers are stripping part-time workers not only of their ability to get company health insurance but of their much needed wages as well.
The city of Long Beach, Calif., for example, is cutting the hours of many of its 1,600 part-time workers to fewer than 27 hours per week, the Times reported, in an effort to prevent them from qualifying for company-offered health insurance.

Long Beach officials have said the benefits they otherwise would have to offer could cost the municipality as much as $2 million, a price that could result in cutbacks to city services.
"We're in the same boat as many employers," Tom Modica, the city's director of government affairs, told the Times. "We need to maintain the programs and service levels we have now."

More than 2 million workers at large restaurant chains, retailers and a variety of other companies that employ more than 50 people across the U.S. are facing similar consequences.
Bill Dombrowski, who heads up the California Retailers Association told the Times that the cuts represent “the only way to survive economically” under the requirements under the Affordable Care Act.
Last week, the largest U.S. movie-theater chain cut the hours of many workers below 30 hours to bypass the law. In a memo to employees, the Regal Entertainment Group, blamed the decision explicitly on the policy often referred to as “Obamacare.”
“To comply with the Affordable Care Act, Regal had to increase our health care budget to cover those newly deemed eligible based on the law's definition of a full-time employee,” the company stated in a memo. “To manage this budget, all other employees will be scheduled in accord with business needs and in a manner that will not negatively impact our health care budget.”
Darden Restaurants Inc., which owns the Olive Garden and Red Lobster chains, made similar cuts last year, too, before the company reversed course due to intense criticism.
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Brehs....yall got to wake up ... and get off your stupid partisan high horse ..... look at the what the fuukc is happening .... stop being fooled and purposely ignorant ..... that shiit is way past played out at this point..
 
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