Associated Press: Obamacare to raise health care insurance premiums by 20% to 100%

[thekingsmen]

If their insurance is being supplied by their Employer, that's their employers fault. Employers often "modify" benefits in order to keep their premiums low and pass the cost and limited benefits off to employees.

Think about it for a sec here. That can go for anyone getting a job...where the employer is looking for a good tax cut by screwing the worker into paying more. All modifying has still came up to the same conclusion...people paying more.

 

[IGSaint12]

FoxNews= Republicans..... MSNBC= Democrats....CNN= Whoever is in charge at the time.

Are you talking about?

 

[KingpinOG]

We can't afford healthcare for the poor/middle class. But we can spend billions on senseless wars. Give out billions in international aid. Give billions in tax cuts to the wealthy, and fund "to big to fail" banks so their CEOs can make millions.

Newflash, we have a debt of $17 trillion. We can't afford any of that shyt.

How can we create new entitlement programs when the current entitlement programs are already going broke?

 

[KingpinOG]

More won't be paying for it, people paying for it now will pay more and those who can't afford it will be subsidized and that's going to drive up the cost as well. Also, it's going to cause more sickly people to participate in the plan, which will use up more costs than they are paying in. Plus doctors will have MORE patients, less time to actually treat patients and not to mention they are being paid less than what that care actually costs. The quality of treatment is going to suffer.

Again, I think it's a good idea but its not like spending for those other things you listed will be cut (enough) to take on the debt of this healthcare plan.

Not to mention all the new mandates under Obamacare: people staying on their parents' insurance plans until age 28, plans must cover abortion, birth control and tons of other procedures, etc. All of those mandates make premiums more expensive.

The worst mandate involves small businesses. Employers with 50 or more employees must provide health care to all their full time employees. Now we have businesses with less than 50 employees unwilling to expand and businesses with over 50 employees shifting their workers to part time.

Obamacare is a clusterfukk.

 

[KingpinOG]

You really don't understand the plan or the American healthcare system. Before Obamacare as an American citizen you had a right to walk into any emergency room and receive treatment. The money for those emergency room visits came form tax payers and people who did pay for their own healtcare. Uninsured emergency room visits is the what drives our healthcare costs up the most. Now under Obamacare those who can pay into the system will pay something as apposed to taking advantage of free healthcare that everyone else pays for them. Anyone making under 100k will receive tax subsides to offset rising costs. And again costs have been rising every year with or without Obamacare. Obamacare is not the cause for rising health bills, in fact since Obamacare was passed healthcare rates have been rising slower, though I don't think that has much to do with Obamacare either.

We are already paying the bill for sickly people. In theory Obamacare should lower those cost because instead of them waiting till they are about to die and going to the emergency room, they will be insured for preventative care which is a lot cheaper. Time will tell if this theory is correct, but either way we will pay for sick people.

There is a lot of debate as to whether preventative care is actually cheaper. Yes we all have to pay for the uninsured people that use emergency rooms for medical treatment. But the fact is that the more health care coverage that people have the more they will use health care services. Giving people more coverage means they will use more health care services which will make premiums more expensive.

That is why health savings accounts are such a good idea. I have an health savings account with money through my employer. Because I have to use my own dollars out of my own account to pay doctors for routine visits and services, I make sure I only see doctors when I absolutely need it. If I had expanded coverage I would probably use more medical services.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yeah more money and double or more the patients. And still understaffed. A shytty product is NOT better than nothing. Especially not in the general sense.

How will they have double the patients? They already have the patients now. Obamacare will reduce the amount of patients going to free clinics, and add more money to the free clinics. And go ask the people who HAVE to go to the free clinic if they'd rather it not be there.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

There is a lot of debate as to whether preventative care is actually cheaper. Yes we all have to pay for the uninsured people that use emergency rooms for medical treatment. But the fact is that the more health care coverage that people have the more they will use health care services. Giving people more coverage means they will use more health care services which will make premiums more expensive.

That is why health savings accounts are such a good idea. I have an health savings account with money through my employer. Because I have to use my own dollars out of my own account to pay doctors for routine visits and services, I make sure I only see doctors when I absolutely need it. If I had expanded coverage I would probably use more medical services.

I agree there is a lot of debate. We will see what happens. I myself have an hsa as well and hsa's are what's being most promoted for working people with Obamacare.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Newflash, we have a debt of $17 trillion. We can't afford any of that shyt.

How can we create new entitlement programs when the current entitlement programs are already going broke?

Newslflash politicians don't give a fukk about our debt when they are giving million dollar tax cuts. So I don't give a fukk about our debt when talking about helping the people.

Why are you so afraid of debt? How could it hurt you?

The entitlement programs aren't going broke. Politicians would just rather give money to big business than to the people. There is a lot of money out there that could go to entitlement programs, but that would mean the rich people get less money, so as usual the burden falls on the middle class.

 

[gho3st]

Newflash, we have a debt of $17 trillion. We can't afford any of that shyt.

How can we create new entitlement programs when the current entitlement programs are already going broke?

funny thing is there's no indication that the debt will go down anytime soon.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I know . The military industrial machine gets all kind of funding but that's ok , has a secret budget where money just disappears to fund secretive research that's ok. We give Tax loopholes for companies that ship jobs overseas (when we actually could use jobs here ) We waste millions on fundraising for politicians yet now people are against healthcare .

Is there any one here cheering in support of the military industrial complex? People and their strawman arguments...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Is there any one here cheering in support of the military industrial complex? People and their strawman arguments...

It's not a strawman. If you have such a problem with the debt, then there are plenty of other issues for you to go after. Why go after something that helps the middle class? There are plenty of other places to get the money from. Why not advocate getting the money from all the other waistful spending that goes on.

And in real life terms what does the national debt do to you? Why are you so affraid of it? Do you really think Obamacare will make the country go broke.

 

[Born2BKing]

A shytty product is NOT better than nothing.

 

[Broke Wave]

Obamacare = colossal failure

 

[714562]

I'll bet anyone in this board my account that in January, we won't hear a soul bytching about "20-100% premium hikes" which is a ludicrous range to write a headline with.

The entire article is a giant "MAYBE THIS'LL HAPPEN BUT MAYBE NOT."

 

[Piff Perkins]

Funny these same dudes were saying Romney was 100% gonna win because all the polls were wrong. I'm not buying anything you conservatives are sellin'

If Obamacare is a disaster we would have known by now, shyt's not gonna blow up out of nowhere in 2014. Especially not due to nikkas getting subsidies and others getting insurance exchanges