Associated Press: Obamacare to raise health care insurance premiums by 20% to 100%

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I think ObamaCare is a good idea but we can't afford it. Everyone having healthcare but only a few people paying in, is not going to strengthen the healthcare system.

LOL and the details are VERY important.

We can't afford healthcare for the poor/middle class. But we can spend billions on senseless wars. Give out billions in international aid. Give billions in tax cuts to the wealthy, and fund "to big to fail" banks so their CEOs can make millions.

But healthcare. :whoa: we can't afford that :rudy:

All Americans were insured before Obamacare and only some payed for it. Now more will be paying for it.

What details do you deem "very important"?
 

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Yeah and it's an alternate plan that may or may not work. Their plan isn't even really about Obamacare at all. It's about changing the entire American system of goverment, which could be a good plan, but it will never happen.

Its funny how people are using hypothetical scares to decry obamacare. The biggest problem I seem to see with it is that Obama is the one who wanted to put it through . For every example I see of some doctor saying how obamacare might have some horrible side effects the majority of doctors seem to be saying nothing . If it was really all doomsday why aren't there more complaints ?? Small businesses dropping like flies left and right ? Doctors giving up practices ??

The insurance companies brought this on themselves idk why people are so up in arms . Doctors used to prescribe and recommend drugs that later got banned so its not like doctors don't have alternative motives or are faultless .
 

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We can't afford healthcare for the poor/middle class. But we can spend billions on senseless wars. Give out billions in international aid. Give billions in tax cuts to the wealthy, and fund "to big to fail" banks so their CEOs can make millions.

But healthcare. :whoa: we can't afford that :rudy:

All Americans were insured before Obamacare and only some payed for it. Now more will be paying for it.

What details do you deem "very important"?

More won't be paying for it, people paying for it now will pay more and those who can't afford it will be subsidized and that's going to drive up the cost as well. Also, it's going to cause more sickly people to participate in the plan, which will use up more costs than they are paying in. Plus doctors will have MORE patients, less time to actually treat patients and not to mention they are being paid less than what that care actually costs. The quality of treatment is going to suffer.

Again, I think it's a good idea but its not like spending for those other things you listed will be cut (enough) to take on the debt of this healthcare plan.
 

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We can't afford healthcare for the poor/middle class. But we can spend billions on senseless wars. Give out billions in international aid. Give billions in tax cuts to the wealthy, and fund "to big to fail" banks so their CEOs can make millions.

But healthcare. :whoa: we can't afford that :rudy:

All Americans are were insured before Obamacare and only some payed for it. Now more will be paying for it.

What details do you deem "very important"?

I know . The military industrial machine gets all kind of funding but that's ok , has a secret budget where money just disappears to fund secretive research that's ok. We give Tax loopholes for companies that ship jobs overseas (when we actually could use jobs here ) We waste millions on fundraising for politicians :dead: yet now people are against healthcare .
 

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More won't be paying for it, people paying for it now will pay more and those who can't afford it will be subsidized and that's going to drive up the cost as well. Also, it's going to cause more sickly people to participate in the plan, which will use up more costs than they are paying in. Plus doctors will have MORE patients, less time to actually treat patients and not to mention they are being paid less than what that care actually costs. The quality of treatment is going to suffer.

Again, I think it's a good idea but its not like spending for those other things you listed will be cut (enough) to take on the debt of this healthcare plan.

You really don't understand the plan or the American healthcare system. Before Obamacare as an American citizen you had a right to walk into any emergency room and receive treatment. The money for those emergency room visits came form tax payers and people who did pay for their own healtcare. Uninsured emergency room visits is the what drives our healthcare costs up the most. Now under Obamacare those who can pay into the system will pay something as apposed to taking advantage of free healthcare that everyone else pays for them. Anyone making under 100k will receive tax subsides to offset rising costs. And again costs have been rising every year with or without Obamacare. Obamacare is not the cause for rising health bills, in fact since Obamacare was passed healthcare rates have been rising slower, though I don't think that has much to do with Obamacare either.

We are already paying the bill for sickly people. In theory Obamacare should lower those cost because instead of them waiting till they are about to die and going to the emergency room, they will be insured for preventative care which is a lot cheaper. Time will tell if this theory is correct, but either way we will pay for sick people.

I don't know where you get the idea that doctors will have too many patients and won't be getting paid enough. There are subsidies for doctors as well, and more patients would equal more doctors. A lot of doctors now don't even have enough insured patients more patients would be a good thing. The quality of treatment will be improved because people will be going to get care before their conditions get to the point where they need major operations.

Also the idea of American debt being a problem is purely hyperbolic. We have always held debt and the country will never default it's the American way. As citizens we should advocate things that help us as opposed to fighting them from the "too expensive" angle because politicians have no problem giving away money to everyone else while the majority of Americans (middle class) struggles.
 

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You really don't understand the plan or the American healthcare system. Before Obamacare as an American citizen you had a right to walk into any emergency room and receive treatment. The money for those emergency room visits came form tax payers and people who did pay for their own healtcare. Uninsured emergency room visits is the what drives our healthcare costs up the most. Now under Obamacare those who can pay into the system will pay something as apposed to taking advantage of free healthcare that everyone else pays for them. Anyone making under 100k will receive tax subsides to offset rising costs. And again costs have been rising every year with or without Obamacare. Obamacare is not the cause for rising health bills, in fact since Obamacare was passed healthcare rates have been rising slower, though I don't think that has much to do with Obamacare either.

We are already paying the bill for sickly people. In theory Obamacare should lower those cost because instead of them waiting till they are about to die and going to the emergency room, they will be insured for preventative care which is a lot cheaper. Time will tell if this theory is correct, but either way we will pay for sick people.

I don't know where you get the idea that doctors will have too many patients and won't be getting paid enough. There are subsidies for doctors as well, and more patients would equal more doctors. A lot of doctors now don't even have enough insured patients more patients would be a good thing. The quality of treatment will be improved because people will be going to get care before their conditions get to the point where they need major operations.

Also the idea of American debt being a problem is purely hyperbolic. We have always held debt and the country will never default it's the American way. As citizens we should advocate things that help us as opposed to fighting them from the "too expensive" angle because politicians have no problem giving away money to everyone else while the majority of Americans (middle class) struggles.

What? One of the top reasons people file bankruptcy is because of medical expenses. Where do you get that their costs are paid for? Healthcare costs are rising because of government involvement anyway.

More Doctors? There is a shortage of doctors now and with the rising cost of education, there will be even less. Also government subsidies don't improve the quality of healthcare, it actually limits it.
 

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What? One of the top reason people file bankruptcy is because of medical expenses. Where do you get that their costs are paid for?

More Doctors? There is a shortage of doctors now and with the rising cost of education, there will be even less. Also government subsidies don't improve the quality of healthcare, it actually limits it.

Uninsured emergency room visits are payed for by taxpayers.

People file for bankruptcy due to medical expenses because they are underinsured then they get a condition that is not covered and they get stuck with the bill. Obamacare will alleviate that problem. Ask anybody with high medical bills or a serious medical condition and they overwhelmingly approve of Obamcare because it will offer them some relief.

The shortage of doctors is only with primary care physicians and it is that way because when doctors get out of school they have huge educational bills to pay so they go for the high paying jobs, primary care is the lowest paying job. Obamacare will put more money into primary care and could hopefully entice new physicians to go down that career path. And how do goverment subsidies limit healthcare?
 

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Uninsured emergency room visits are payed for by taxpayers.

People file for bankruptcy due to medical expenses because they are underinsured then they get a condition that is not covered and they get stuck with the bill. Obamacare will alleviate that problem. Ask anybody with high medical bills or a serious medical condition and they overwhelmingly approve of Obamcare because it will offer them some relief.

The shortage of doctors is only with primary care physicians and it is that way because when doctors get out of school they have huge educational bills to pay so they go for the high paying jobs, primary care is the lowest paying job. Obamacare will put more money into primary care and could hopefully entice new physicians to go down that career path. And how do goverment subsidies limit healthcare?

Have you ever visited government subsidized housing? Anything the government subsidizes is typically of poor quality. Treatment is limited and quality suffers because of the limitations. It's just like Medical Assistance, yes it's free but it's really shytty insurance.

Oh and government run hospitals pay uninsured emergency room visits and again government run "county" hospitals are typically shytty and lack the equipment and staff needed to properly treat their patients.

I'll have to answer the rest later (I read from the bottom up).
 

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Have you ever visited government subsidized housing? Anything the government subsidizes is typically of poor quality. Treatment is limited and quality suffers because of the limitations. It's just like Medical Assistance, yes it's free but it's really shytty insurance.

Oh and government run hospitals pay uninsured emergency room visits and again government run "county" hospitals are typically shytty and lack the equipment and staff needed to properly treat their patients.

I'll have to answer the rest later (I read from the bottom up).

You are comparing two different things here. Subsidized housing is far better than NO housing. Just as subsidized healthcare is better than NO helathcare. But just because the goverment subsidized SOME homes doesn't mean that ALL homes are of lesser quality.

Free hospitals lack equipment and staff because they lack money. Obamacare gives them more money, so how will it limit the healtcare again?
 
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I know . The military industrial machine gets all kind of funding but that's ok , has a secret budget where money just disappears to fund secretive research that's ok. We give Tax loopholes for companies that ship jobs overseas (when we actually could use jobs here ) We waste millions on fundraising for politicians :dead: yet now people are against healthcare .

what has this president done to change this under his watch? :gladbron:



why doesnt it matter that he hasnt?
 

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You are comparing two different things here. Subsidized housing is far better than NO housing. Just as subsidized healthcare is better than NO helathcare. But just because the goverment subsidized SOME homes doesn't mean that ALL homes are of lesser quality.

Free hospitals lack equipment and staff because they lack money. Obamacare gives them more money, so how will it limit the healtcare again?

Yeah more money and double or more the patients. And still understaffed. A shytty product is NOT better than nothing. Especially not in the general sense.
 

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What? One of the top reasons people file bankruptcy is because of medical expenses. Where do you get that their costs are paid for? Healthcare costs are rising because of government involvement anyway.

More Doctors? There is a shortage of doctors now and with the rising cost of education, there will be even less. Also government subsidies don't improve the quality of healthcare, it actually limits it.
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Where are the fukking idiots that actually supported Obamacare? I am calling you out.

How pathetic is it that the people who are most getting screwed by Obamacare (young people) are the ones responsible for him getting elected?

people are idiots if they ever thought Obama was for the people....
 
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:heh:, it always comes down to you cons saying that the media is controlled by the white house. You just lost your argument, the white house has no control over the media and they would publish any story if it was verifiable true. What this means is that your facts regarding obamacare are categorically stretched and flatout untrue. However, keep thinking the national media is conspiring to keep this out of the news. You guys insanity becomes more funnier to me that way.

:wtb: FoxNews= Republicans..... MSNBC= Democrats....CNN= Whoever is in charge at the time.
 
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