Associated Press: Obamacare to raise health care insurance premiums by 20% to 100%

[Mr. Somebody]

I got those numbers from people I work with, people in my family, friends and the insurance themselves. Btw...this is a republican healthcare plan that O signed. He had no say in any of it's process( early 90's).

Then why did he sign it.

 

[23Barrettcity]

National News.... where do you live? With a media that's agenda is the administration that it's currently under...none of that will make news.

Really ??? Where was all this talk during the bush administration ? Now the media should destroy the president but during the bush administration it was treason. You should be more mad about all the money wasted in Iraq then over a damn healthcare plan .

Cons have been screaming this for three years now yet life goes on. Give it up Obamacare is here to stay. It will be tweaked when necessary and in a generation will become part of the third rail of politics.

I don't get why they weren't screaming about these crazy costs when we went to war with Iraq and blew all that money . Instead the president tries to help people and that's the big issue. I wish America was more concerned with education so we could compete with china instead of stuff like this

 

[kermit da hustla]

more people will be insured under obamacare than there were before its implementation. the affordable care act has welcomed millions of previously uninsured poor into the fold of adequate health care coverage.

thread starter is a dumb ass. why do you post this shyt on here? we are not conservatives. we do not buy your right-wing propaganda. fukk off, already.

 

[newworldafro]

......................food for thought..................this M.D....Dr. Janda says tons will be leaving the profession b/se of bill.......and will be replaced by overseas physicians who will work for much less here in the U.S. (don't recall if he said this part in the video, but I've seen it elsewhere)

 

[23Barrettcity]

......................food for thought..................this M.D....Dr. Janda says tons will be leaving the profession b/se of bill.......and will be replaced by overseas physicians who will work for much less here in the U.S. (don't recall if he said this part in the video, but I've seen it elsewhere)

Dr Janda on Rationing in Obamacare His Entire Talk 20 Minutes - YouTube

That's a damn Lie (didn't watch) they didn't leave with malpractice insurance they aren't throwing away their medical degrees they took years to earn to be ditch diggers ? Work retail ? how about the doctors shut the fukk up . Blame the insurance companies and that greedy asses , denying people life saving treatments or making you go broke if you don't want to die

 

[IGSaint12]

National News.... where do you live? With a media that's agenda is the administration that it's currently under...none of that will make news.

, it always comes down to you cons saying that the media is controlled by the white house. You just lost your argument, the white house has no control over the media and they would publish any story if it was verifiable true. What this means is that your facts regarding obamacare are categorically stretched and flatout untrue. However, keep thinking the national media is conspiring to keep this out of the news. You guys insanity becomes more funnier to me that way.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

......................food for thought..................this M.D....Dr. Janda says tons will be leaving the profession b/se of bill.......and will be replaced by overseas physicians who will work for much less here in the U.S. (don't recall if he said this part in the video, but I've seen it elsewhere)

Dr Janda on Rationing in Obamacare His Entire Talk 20 Minutes - YouTube

And plenty of doctors support Obamacare. It has more to do with political affiliation, than the actual effects of Obamacare.

 

[newworldafro]

And plenty of doctors support Obamacare. It has more to do with political affiliation, than the actual effects of Obamacare.

evidence?? I typed the bolded into some search engines.........hmmmm.....

Obamacare's 73% Medicaid Pay Raise For Doctors Is Delayed - Forbes

I'm not sure.....................

 

[MeachTheMonster]

evidence?? I typed the bolded into some search engines.........hmmmm.....

Obamacare's 73% Medicaid Pay Raise For Doctors Is Delayed - Forbes

I'm not sure.....................

Delayed doesn't mean they are not getting it or are not in support of it.

And you conveniently ignored articles such as this one
Doctors, Patients Rally In Support Of Obamacare In Tampa On The Last Day Of The RNC | ThinkProgress


Like I said it has more to do with political affiliation than anything else. Doctors and the medical industry will be fine with Obamacare. Not sure if it will help or hurt them yet, but all this "end of the world" stuff is just political posturing. Same as the Denny's owner who was talking about firing workers cause the healthcare bill would cost him less than a dollar per order.

 

[Rawtid]

I got those numbers from people I work with, people in my family, friends and the insurance themselves. Btw...this is a republican healthcare plan that O signed. He had no say in any of it's process( early 90's).

If their insurance is being supplied by their Employer, that's their employers fault. Employers often "modify" benefits in order to keep their premiums low and pass the cost and limited benefits off to employees.

 

[newworldafro]

Delayed doesn't mean they are not getting it or are not in support of it.

And you conveniently ignored articles such as this one
Doctors, Patients Rally In Support Of Obamacare In Tampa On The Last Day Of The RNC | ThinkProgress


Like I said it has more to do with political affiliation than anything else. Doctors and the medical industry will be fine with Obamacare. Not sure if it will help or hurt them yet, but all this "end of the world" stuff is just political posturing. Same as the Denny's owner who was talking about firing workers cause the healthcare bill would cost him less than a dollar per order.

I didn't conveniently ignore anything....you just said yourself its political affiliation...yet you got an obviousl liberal leaning website to make your case.........look, we can go back and forth with articles... as I will ..... I'm not saying I know the complete deal with this, but its clearly a lot of stuff in this bill that doesn't go left or right...its just a matter of whether you as an individual person agree with a section of the bill...

anyway..........recent article...........posted half of article..

The Obamacare Revolt: Physicians Fight Back Against the Bureaucratization of Health Care - Reason.com

The Obamacare Revolt: Physicians Fight Back Against the Bureaucratization of Health Care
Will it make a difference?

Jim Epstein | March 13, 2013

Dr. Ryan Neuhofel, 31, offers a rare glimpse at what it would be like to go to the doctor without massive government interference in health care. Dr. Neuhofel, based in the college town of Lawrence, Kansas, charges for his services according to an online price list that's as straightforward as a restaurant menu. A drained abscess runs $30, a pap smear, $40, a 30-minute house call, $100. Strep cultures, glucose tolerance tests, and pregnancy tests are on the house. Neuhofel doesn't accept insurance. He even barters on occasion with cash-strapped locals. One patient pays with fresh eggs and another with homemade cheese and goat's milk.

"Direct primary care," which is the industry term for Neuhofel's business model, does away with the bureaucratic hassle of insurance, which translates into much lower prices. "What people don't realize is that most doctors employ an army of people for coding, billing, and gathering payment," says Neuhofel. "That means you have to charge $200 to remove an ingrown toenail." Neuhofel charges $50.

He consults with his patients over email and Skype in exchange for a monthly membership fee of $20-30. "I realized people would come in for visits with the simplest questions and I'd wonder, why can't they just email me?" says Neuhofel. Traditional doctors have no way to get paid when they consult with patients over the phone or by email because insurance companies only pay for office visits.

Why did he choose this course? Neuhofel’s answer: “I didn’t want to waste my career being frustrated.”

This model is growing in popularity. Leading practitioners of direct primary care include Seattle, Washington-based Qliance, which has raised venture capital funding from Jeff Bezos, Michael Dell, and comedian (and Reason Foundation Trustee) Drew Carey; MedLion, which is about to expand its business to five states; and AMG Medical Group, which operates several offices in New York City. Popular health care blogger Dr. Rob Lamberts has written at length about his decision to dump his traditional practice in favor of this model.

"Since I started my practice, I seem to hear about another doctor or clinic doing direct primary care every other week." says Neuhofel.

Direct primary care is part of a larger trend of physician-entrepreneurs all across the country fighting to bring transparent prices and market forces back to health care. This is happening just as the federal government is poised to interfere with the health care market in many new and profoundly destructive ways.

Obamacare, which takes full effect in 2014, will drive up costs and erode quality—and Americans will increasingly seek out alternatives. That could bring hordes of new business to practitioners like Neuhofel, potentially offering a countervailing force to Obamacare. (One example, the Surgery Center of Oklahoma's Dr. Keith Smith, profiled for Reason TV in September, is doing big business offering cash pricing for outpatient surgery at prices about 80 percent less than at traditional hospitals.)

Health "insurance" is more than just insurance; it's also "a payment plan for routine expenses," as University of Chicago business school economist John Cochrane puts it in a superb recent paper. The late free-market economist Milton Friedman pointed out that we insure our houses against fire and our cars against major damage, but we don't also insure ourselves against cutting the lawn and buying gas. That's the main reason innovation almost never makes health care cheaper. Most patients never see the bill for an ingrown toenail removal or a glucose tolerance test, so doctors have little incentive to seek ways to offer their services for less. For simple consultations, why bother with Skype when insurance will pay full price for an office visit.

Insurance plans that cover everything, a situation that came about largely because of a quirk in our tax code, have also led to the "bureaucratization of medical care," Friedman wrote in a 2001 essay, in which "the caregiver has become, in effect, an employee of the insurance company or...the government."

Dr. Lisa Davidson had 8 years of frustration while running a successful traditional practice in Denver, Colorado. She had 6,000 patients when she decided to stop taking insurance and adopt the same business model as Neuhofel. Her patient list has dropped to about 2,000. She used to spend about 15 minutes with each patient and now it's more like 45 minutes. "We're on track to make more money and take better care of our patients," says Davidson. "It's a win-win all around."

Before adopting direct primary care, Davidson was unhappy working at the practice she had built because the insurance system imposed a way of doing business that resembled an assembly line. "It's true that in 2014, many more people will have insurance, so there will be a profound need for primary care doctors," says Davidson. "You might say I've done a disservice by dramatically cutting the size of my practice. However, if we make it desirable again to be a primary care physician more people will want to do it."

Under Obamacare, more and more doctors are becoming employees of large hospitals, where there will be more control over how they practice medicine. Hoover Institution Senior Fellow Dr. Scott Atlas fears this will cause a brain drain in medicine. "Really smart people want autonomy, and when you take that away it's naive to think you're going to get really bright people becoming doctors," says Atlas. "The best doctors could excel at any profession, so why go into medicine if they won't have the opportunity to be their best?"

When she was operating a traditional practice, Davidson witnessed firsthand how our "payment plans for routine expenses" drive up prices and block innovation. She recalls that one insurance company paid $118 for a routine PSA test. Now that her patients pay the bill directly the cost is $18. Insurance used to pay $128 for a bag of IV fluid. Now Davidson doesn't bother passing on the cost of IV bags because they run $1.50 each.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I didn't conveniently ignore anything....you just said yourself its political affiliation...yet you got an obviousl liberal leaning website to make your case.........look, we can go back and forth with articles... as I will ..... I'm not saying I know the complete deal with this, but its clearly a lot of stuff in this bill that doesn't go left or right...its just a matter of whether you as an individual person agree with a section of the bil...

anyway..........recent article...........posted half of article..

I know I posted a liberal website that was the point. If the doctor is republican he doesn't support the plan. If he is democrat he does. At the end of the day more Americans will be insured and the healthcare industry will be just as strong as ever. All the details in the middle are just ideologies to argue over.

 

[newworldafro]

I know I posted a liberal website that was the point. If the doctor is republican he doesn't support the plan. If he is democrat he does. At the end of the day more Americans will be insured and the healthcare industry will be just as strong as ever. All the details in the middle are just ideologies to argue over.

Again you don't get....stop falling for the partisan paradigm....there is a lot more gray area than you realize..... the article I just posted DOES NOT SAY the words "conservative" , "liberal", "republican", or "democrat"... the title says "physicians"....

 

[Rawtid]

I know I posted a liberal website that was the point. If the doctor is republican he doesn't support the plan. If he is democrat he does. At the end of the day more Americans will be insured and the healthcare industry will be just as strong as ever. All the details in the middle are just ideologies to argue over.

I think ObamaCare is a good idea but we can't afford it. Everyone having healthcare but only a few people paying in, is not going to strengthen the healthcare system.

LOL and the details are VERY important.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Again you don't get....stop falling for the partisan paradigm....there is a lot more gray area than you realize..... the article I just posted DOES NOT SAY the words "conservative" , "liberal", "republican", or "democrat"... the title says "physicians"....

Yeah and it's an alternate plan that may or may not work. Their plan isn't even really about Obamacare at all. It's about changing the entire American system of goverment, which could be a good plan, but it will never happen.